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Skiplagged sued by United and Orbitz

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Re: Skiplagged sued by United and Orbitz

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post #22

Can someone explain the harm this causes the airlines? I get there's a bit of an opportunity cost because they'll have an empty seat, but apart from that? I feel there's something more here

That's not a loss; it's just not an opportunity to double dip. The buyer still bought the seat. There's just nobody in it.

Re: Skiplagged sued by United and Orbitz

#32
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that travel is a bit more complicated than sandwiches -- flight prices end up being set more by competition rather than cost of production. Let's say, per your model, you offering flights from SFO to PDX for $200, LAX to SFO for $100, and sell the LAX->PDX route for $250 (with a stopover in SFO). I decide to start an airline which doesn't fly to SFO, but offers direct flights from LAX->PDX for $190. Yo…

You are right that air travel is more complicated than sandwiches, but does it matter? What law or contract has skiplagged broken? Bad business models are not fundamental rights.

When you buy a ticket, you're entering into a contract with the airline. See pg. 11 here for the relevant bits: http://www.united.com/web/format/pdf/Contract_of_Carriage.pd...

Re: Skiplagged sued by United and Orbitz

#33
post #21

This sounds absurd. This is the best analogy i've come up with: A Sandwich shop sells half sandwiches at 5$ and full sandwiches at 6$ You, and a friend would both like half a sandwich. Instead of ordering two separate halves. You order only 1 full sandwich and cut it in half yourself. Now the sandwich shop is suing you because you paid $6 for one sandwich, and only ate half of it. That's instead of paying 10$ for two…

The problem is that travel is a bit more complicated than sandwiches -- flight prices end up being set more by competition rather than cost of production. Let's say, per your model, you offering flights from SFO to PDX for $200, LAX to SFO for $100, and sell the LAX->PDX route for $250 (with a stopover in SFO). I decide to start an airline which doesn't fly to SFO, but offers direct flights from LAX->PDX for $190. Yo…

You don't want to lose the business of people flying from LAX->PDX, but also don't want to alter your routes. Any thoughts?

Yes: something's gotta give. Consumers are not required to satisfy a business' desires.

Re: Skiplagged sued by United and Orbitz

#34
post #21

This sounds absurd. This is the best analogy i've come up with: A Sandwich shop sells half sandwiches at 5$ and full sandwiches at 6$ You, and a friend would both like half a sandwich. Instead of ordering two separate halves. You order only 1 full sandwich and cut it in half yourself. Now the sandwich shop is suing you because you paid $6 for one sandwich, and only ate half of it. That's instead of paying 10$ for two…

The problem is that travel is a bit more complicated than sandwiches -- flight prices end up being set more by competition rather than cost of production. Let's say, per your model, you offering flights from SFO to PDX for $200, LAX to SFO for $100, and sell the LAX->PDX route for $250 (with a stopover in SFO). I decide to start an airline which doesn't fly to SFO, but offers direct flights from LAX->PDX for $190. Yo…

I should just reduce the price of LAX-SFO and SFO-PDX accordingly, so that the cost of LAX-SFO-PDX is the sum of LAX-SFO and SFO-PDX. If I can afford to carry the passenger through LAX-SFO-PDX for $190, then I can afford to carry her LAX-SFO for $x and SFO-PDX for $(190-x).

Re: Skiplagged sued by United and Orbitz

#35
What's the appeal of this site? I just did a flight search from SFO to LGB, and fares seem to be generally higher than anything I've found on Google Flights (which is insanely good). I did a search from SFO to Munich, and it can't even find flights.

Re: Skiplagged sued by United and Orbitz

#39
to put this in laymans terms:

imagine you want to go from city A to city B

normally you would search for tickets from A-B

however, during your search, you would NOT see tickets that go from A-B-C.

why is that relevant? sometimes tickets from A-B-C are cheaper than A-B. so you would buy a ticket (A-B-C) and simply leave the airport of city B (not boarding the B-C flight).

the website in question made it easier to find these types of tickets. These tickets are commonly known as "hidden-city" tickets.

the airlines would prefer you to spend more money on an A-B flight rather than buying the cheaper A-B-C ticket.

they are now suing this website to enforce their preference on consumer choice.

if there were something illegal going on, it would be limited to your individual contractual obligations as the owner of an airline ticket. (there could be a term that requires you to actually be present on the airplane for an A-B-C flight)

This website is simply _enabling_ people who intend to violate this (potential) term of their airline ticket agreement.

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