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Re: Nim (formerly Nimrod) 0.10.2 released

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Post by wbhart »

def- wrote: post #107
wbhart wrote: post #104

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It used to have a page. It was deleted because the language was not considered significant. This is a relatively famous case, referred to frequently.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletio... > Lacks reliable independent secondary sources to establish notability as required by WP:GNG. Every source is WP:PRIMARY. Every one of them. Googling turned up posts to online discussion forums but nothing useful. Additionally, I note that the decision to delete at the previous AfD was unanimous for the same reasons. > Perhaps think of it this way: a lan…

I really dislike this policy when applied to programming languages. Things from pop culture are going to be referred to pervasively in the media and blogosphere, but programming languages don't get there without massive marketing pushes, press releases, etc.

That doesn't mean a language is not itself notable.

Anyway, there's plenty about Nim that is not primary:

http://goran.krampe.se/2014/10/13/here-comes-nim/

https://www.btbytes.com/notebooks/nimrod.html

http://picheta.me/articles/2013/10/about-nimrods-features.ht... (by Dominic Picheta but external to Nim website)

http://steved-imaginaryreal.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/nimrod-re...

http://vocalbit.com/posts/exploring-type-classes-in-nimrod.h...

http://blog.ldlework.com/a-cursory-look-at-meta-programming-...

http://joshfilstrup.com/posts/2014-10-27-2014-monads-in-nim....

http://ziotom78.blogspot.de/2014/01/experiments-with-nimrod....

http://progopedia.com/language/nimrod/

https://geetduggal.wordpress.com/2014/03/03/consider-nimrod/

http://www.drdobbs.com/open-source/nimrod-a-new-systems-prog... (by Andreas Rumpf - but definitely an indicator of notability)

http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/4749

http://ivoras.net/blog/tree/2013/Oct-2013-10-05.what-i-like-...

http://www.infoq.com/presentations/nimrod (by Andreas Rumpf, but a sign of notability)

http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Category:Nimrod

http://gradha.github.io/articles/2014/11/swift-string-interp...

http://togototo.wordpress.com/2013/08/23/benchmarks-round-tw...

http://felsin9.de/nnis/nimrod/nimrod-gpn14.pdf

http://learnxinyminutes.com/docs/nim/

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/nim?sort=votes&pag...

http://gradha.github.io/articles/2014/03/nimrod-for-cross-pl...

https://impythonist.wordpress.com/tag/nimrod/

https://github.com/trending?l=nimrod

http://maniagnosis.crsr.net/2013/12/letterpress-cheating-in-...

That doesn't mean that the best resources aren't on the Nimrod website itself. But penalising a language for having excellent primary resources would be a bit crazy in my opinion.

Re: Nim (formerly Nimrod) 0.10.2 released

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Post by RussianCow »

Cyph0n wrote: post #114
Cyther606 wrote: post #97

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https://github.com/def-/LPATHBench/blob/master/nim.nim Statistics (on an x86_64 Intel Core2Quad Q9300): Lang Time [ms] Memory [KB] Compile Time [ms] Compressed Code [B] Nim 1400 1460 893 486 C++ 1478 2717 774 728 D 1518 2388 1614 669 Rust 1623 2632 6735 934 Java 1874 24428 812 778 OCaml 2384 4496 125 782 Go 3116 1664 596 618 Haskell 3329 5268 3002 1091 LuaJit 3857 2368 - 519 Lisp 8219 15876 1043 1007 Racket 8503 1302…

That looks amazing. One would expect it to be slower given all of the interesting language features. I've been wanting to learn one of the up and coming languages (Rust, D, Go, etc.). Would Nim be a good choice?

If you write C/C++ for a living but want a nicer syntax and better language features, then yes, absolutely. If you're looking for a specific niche, then it depends. I'm personally more excited about Rust than Nim, but I also don't do much systems programming these days, so I don't have a specific purpose in mind.

Re: Nim (formerly Nimrod) 0.10.2 released

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Post by ziotom78 »

wbhart wrote: post #59
themartorana wrote: post #9

All the hype on HN seems to be towards Rust and Go (with Go having its share of haters), but Nim sounds particularly interesting as a side-step from Python that runs faster than both Go and Rust. Can anyone give me some insight as to why it's not as hyped, if at all? I'm rather unfamiliar with Nim, and it's seems to have a smaller community, but it feels like it should be getting all sorts of love considering its spe…

The main reasons I think, are that Nim is not "production ready" and that other developers think of Nim as Andreas Rumpf's baby. In my opinion, this happens when a single author is responsible for most of the implementation of a language. Another example of this is the Crack language, which is still essentially controlled by one person, despite people declaring it "ready for writing useful code". Two things make non-…

I think you hit the nail on the head. I've been following the Nim forum and the IRC channel for a while and, while I fully agree with dom96 about Rumpf not being the only developer, still find the difference with communities like Julia (which I closely follow as well) sometimes staggering. The hypothesis that the lack of success of Nim is due to its not being supported by some organisation like Google or Mozilla does not explain why Julia has many more contributors and its development proceedes at a much quicker pace. AFAIK there is no such organisation behind Julia's development.

I've seen more than one time discussions on the Nim forum die of a sudden death after Araq just joined and said something against the idea being discussed. I've never seen something like in the Julia mailing list. Like wbhart, I think this happens mainly because there isn't just one core developer.

Re: Nim (formerly Nimrod) 0.10.2 released

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Post by boris1 »

klibertp wrote: post #36
themartorana wrote: post #9

All the hype on HN seems to be towards Rust and Go (with Go having its share of haters), but Nim sounds particularly interesting as a side-step from Python that runs faster than both Go and Rust. Can anyone give me some insight as to why it's not as hyped, if at all? I'm rather unfamiliar with Nim, and it's seems to have a smaller community, but it feels like it should be getting all sorts of love considering its spe…

Actually it's being hyped that's weird. There are literally dozens of very interesting languages being created and developed right now and I bet you don't know of any of them. The only - and they are very few in comparison - languages which are being hyped since very early in their life cycle are the ones backed by corporations. Both Rust and Go are such languages and that's basically it. "Normal" languages live on a…

Another unknown language, in which I program, is Pliant www.fullpliant.org

Re: Nim (formerly Nimrod) 0.10.2 released

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Post by wildmXranat »

waterlesscloud wrote: post #11

Why did they change the name?

When I first heard about Nimrod, I thought of Green Day album "Nimrod" from 1997. Then I thought, why would this language be like a nimrod. Like most, I did not link it with the other literary meaning of "a mighty hunter" hunter.

Either way, Nim is short and sweet.

Re: Nim (formerly Nimrod) 0.10.2 released

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Post by dom96 »

ziotom78 wrote: post #123
wbhart wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The main reasons I think, are that Nim is not "production ready" and that other developers think of Nim as Andreas Rumpf's baby. In my opinion, this happens when a single author is responsible for most of the implementation of a language. Another example of this is the Crack language, which is still essentially controlled by one person, despite people declaring it "ready for writing useful code". Two things make non-…

I think you hit the nail on the head. I've been following the Nim forum and the IRC channel for a while and, while I fully agree with dom96 about Rumpf not being the only developer, still find the difference with communities like Julia (which I closely follow as well) sometimes staggering. The hypothesis that the lack of success of Nim is due to its not being supported by some organisation like Google or Mozilla does…

From what I can see Julia has a lot of academic institutions behind it. Take a look at the contributors and you will see lots of mention of MIT and Harvard. I may be wrong but I am assuming that those institutions are sponsoring the development of Julia. Nim has no such support from anyone!

Re: Nim (formerly Nimrod) 0.10.2 released

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Post by dom96 »

RussianCow wrote: post #122
Cyph0n wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That looks amazing. One would expect it to be slower given all of the interesting language features. I've been wanting to learn one of the up and coming languages (Rust, D, Go, etc.). Would Nim be a good choice?

If you write C/C++ for a living but want a nicer syntax and better language features, then yes, absolutely. If you're looking for a specific niche, then it depends. I'm personally more excited about Rust than Nim, but I also don't do much systems programming these days, so I don't have a specific purpose in mind.

Why are you more excited about Rust?

Re: Nim (formerly Nimrod) 0.10.2 released

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Post by wbhart »

dom96 wrote: post #126
ziotom78 wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you hit the nail on the head. I've been following the Nim forum and the IRC channel for a while and, while I fully agree with dom96 about Rumpf not being the only developer, still find the difference with communities like Julia (which I closely follow as well) sometimes staggering. The hypothesis that the lack of success of Nim is due to its not being supported by some organisation like Google or Mozilla does…

From what I can see Julia has a lot of academic institutions behind it. Take a look at the contributors and you will see lots of mention of MIT and Harvard. I may be wrong but I am assuming that those institutions are sponsoring the development of Julia. Nim has no such support from anyone!

I doubt academic institutions "sponsor" programming languages, other than paying the salary of some of the people who happen to be writing them.

Where is Rumpf? MIT?

http://web.mit.edu/nimrod-lang/arch/i386_linux26/doc/tutoria...

Re: Nim (formerly Nimrod) 0.10.2 released

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Post by dom96 »

wbhart wrote: post #128
dom96 wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From what I can see Julia has a lot of academic institutions behind it. Take a look at the contributors and you will see lots of mention of MIT and Harvard. I may be wrong but I am assuming that those institutions are sponsoring the development of Julia. Nim has no such support from anyone!

I doubt academic institutions "sponsor" programming languages, other than paying the salary of some of the people who happen to be writing them. Where is Rumpf? MIT? http://web.mit.edu/nimrod-lang/arch/i386_linux26/doc/tutoria...

I'd say that the academic institutions may be paying some of these people to develop Julia.

As far as I know, Andreas Rumpf does not work for MIT or any academic institution if that's what you're implying. It is rather curious that the MIT website has a copy of Nim's documentation.

Re: Nim (formerly Nimrod) 0.10.2 released

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Post by [deleted] »

dom96 wrote: post #126
ziotom78 wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you hit the nail on the head. I've been following the Nim forum and the IRC channel for a while and, while I fully agree with dom96 about Rumpf not being the only developer, still find the difference with communities like Julia (which I closely follow as well) sometimes staggering. The hypothesis that the lack of success of Nim is due to its not being supported by some organisation like Google or Mozilla does…

From what I can see Julia has a lot of academic institutions behind it. Take a look at the contributors and you will see lots of mention of MIT and Harvard. I may be wrong but I am assuming that those institutions are sponsoring the development of Julia. Nim has no such support from anyone!

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