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Hackers Who Shut Down PSN and Xbox Live Now Attacking Tor

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Re: Hackers Who Shut Down PSN and Xbox Live Now Attacking Tor

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Post by linuxydave »

joliv wrote: post #54
rcamera wrote: post #48

Tor Devs haven't made any announcement yet, there is, however, a discussion about it on the mailing list: https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2014-Decembe... If you use Tor, I would follow the suggestion by another member of the mailing list [1], simply add to your torrc file: ExcludeNodes US StrictNodes 1 That will disallow using any US nodes, which works since all of LizardNSA's nodes are currently in t…

Supposed response from "lizards@riseup.net": > Why? I assure you, our exits are just fine. What's with people responding so negatively to us donating 360Gbit/s of exit BW? EDIT: From @lizardmafia: > To clarify, we are no longer attacking PSN or Xbox. We are testing our new Tor 0day. > Only hackers, miscreants and pedophiles use Tor.

"Only hackers, miscreants and pedophiles use Tor."

Oh please. They're trying to take the moral high ground to justify their behaviour.

Re: Hackers Who Shut Down PSN and Xbox Live Now Attacking Tor

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Post by chii »

shitlord wrote: post #138
yeukhon wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well based on what they did, they obviously can't advertise their work. They also won't have any interest in working for SV companies. The only kind of job they are after is in the black market (organized crime and intelligence).

You can't even get into intelligence anymore after doing this, lol. They'd never pass the background checks.

not officially anyway...

Re: Hackers Who Shut Down PSN and Xbox Live Now Attacking Tor

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Post by chii »

criley2 wrote: post #71
Forbo wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have they taken any action that would be cause for a shutdown? Does Google not allow you to run Tor relays on their service? Genuine questions, I'm not familiar enough with the service.

Stolen credit cards is probably high on the list. You'd think Google wouldn't want to give away free computer resources to these 'hackers' since the banks will almost assuredly take back any mis-gotten money from stolen credit cards.

does it really work like that? i thought the banks had to cop the losses due to fraud.

Re: Hackers Who Shut Down PSN and Xbox Live Now Attacking Tor

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Post by garrettgrimsley »

linuxydave wrote: post #151
joliv wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Supposed response from "lizards@riseup.net": > Why? I assure you, our exits are just fine. What's with people responding so negatively to us donating 360Gbit/s of exit BW? EDIT: From @lizardmafia: > To clarify, we are no longer attacking PSN or Xbox. We are testing our new Tor 0day. > Only hackers, miscreants and pedophiles use Tor.

"Only hackers, miscreants and pedophiles use Tor." Oh please. They're trying to take the moral high ground to justify their behaviour.

What is trolling?

Re: Hackers Who Shut Down PSN and Xbox Live Now Attacking Tor

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Post by lectrick »

alexggordon wrote: post #95

I'm always a little bit fascinated by these sorts of attacks. On one hand, I guess I understand (yet don't condone) the motivation for the 'vigilante' justice they're trying to do. On the other, I really don't understand what benefit you can get from attacking Xbox, then Sony, and finally Tor. When I think of the people doing this, I tend to think of them as understanding the importance of Tor and the benefit of anon…

The Internet was designed to withstand a nuclear attack and due to people intent on centralizing services, we have services taken down by nerds. I hope Tor ends up being resilient because it's also used by folks in oppressed countries.

Re: Hackers Who Shut Down PSN and Xbox Live Now Attacking Tor

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Post by reledi »

mrmondo wrote: post #100
alexggordon wrote: post #95

I'm always a little bit fascinated by these sorts of attacks. On one hand, I guess I understand (yet don't condone) the motivation for the 'vigilante' justice they're trying to do. On the other, I really don't understand what benefit you can get from attacking Xbox, then Sony, and finally Tor. When I think of the people doing this, I tend to think of them as understanding the importance of Tor and the benefit of anon…

I personally think they're trying to get attention for themselves to build reputation and perhaps land some sort of job / payout.

That seems to be part of their motivation. From a recent interview published at http://www.dailydot.com/technology/lizard-squad-hackers

“Microsoft and Sony are fucking retarded, literally monkeys behind computers,” Omari said. “They would have better luck if they actually hired someone who knew what they were doing. Like, if they went around prisons and hired people who were convicted for stuff like this, they would have a better chance at preventing attacks.”

“If I was working [at Microsoft or Sony] and had a big enough budget, I could totally stop these attacks,” Cleary claimed. “I’d buy more bandwidth, some specific equipment, and configure it correctly. It’s just about programming skill. With an attack of this scale, it could go up to the millions. But that’s really no problem for Sony and Microsoft.”

"If I get caught, then I get caught. Maybe I'll end up serving time, or maybe I'll end up helping companies, help them get better I guess."

Re: Hackers Who Shut Down PSN and Xbox Live Now Attacking Tor

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Post by EliRivers »

joliv wrote: post #54
rcamera wrote: post #48

Tor Devs haven't made any announcement yet, there is, however, a discussion about it on the mailing list: https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2014-Decembe... If you use Tor, I would follow the suggestion by another member of the mailing list [1], simply add to your torrc file: ExcludeNodes US StrictNodes 1 That will disallow using any US nodes, which works since all of LizardNSA's nodes are currently in t…

Supposed response from "lizards@riseup.net": > Why? I assure you, our exits are just fine. What's with people responding so negatively to us donating 360Gbit/s of exit BW? EDIT: From @lizardmafia: > To clarify, we are no longer attacking PSN or Xbox. We are testing our new Tor 0day. > Only hackers, miscreants and pedophiles use Tor.

Only hackers, miscreants and pedophiles use Tor.

Amateurs.

The kind of person whose sense of moral outrage gets activated by such nonsense bullshit doesn't know what the word "miscreant" means, and by not mentioning "terrorists" they're just confusing their target audience. If you don't say "terrorist", how are we supposed to know you're the good guys?

Re: Hackers Who Shut Down PSN and Xbox Live Now Attacking Tor

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Post by jdong »

dylz wrote: post #141
jdong wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where does one acquire a botnet with zero skills?

You can purchase ddos attacks for $1-2 via paypal.

Nowhere near this size though, and those selling bigger attacks on e.g. darkode would charge extra for the heat. If they're paying for the attacks, they must be paying closer to $1000 per hour.

Re: Hackers Who Shut Down PSN and Xbox Live Now Attacking Tor

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Post by jacquesm »

belorn wrote: post #116
deanclatworthy wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think its out the realms of possibility for any intelligence agency to set up a LOT of servers at different ISPs with different credit cards and account owners.

The problem with that approach is that it need to be done very quietly, slowly, and secretly, while being large scale. If a few hundred thousands nodes or a few massive large nodes suddenly popped up, then the admins of the tor directory servers (or some security research) would start asking question. It wasn't that long time ago that a rather large cluster came into discussion because it looked suspicious, and the s…

On a good day there are only a few thousand (< 10K) nodes in the tor network as far as I can see so why would you need a few hundred thousand nodes?
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