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Hackers Who Shut Down PSN and Xbox Live Now Attacking Tor

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Re: Hackers Who Shut Down PSN and Xbox Live Now Attacking Tor

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Post by Karunamon »

sanswork wrote: post #84
Karunamon wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So we just stop all use of correct language because of defeatism? Nonsense.

English exists in its current state because it is constantly changing. Adding words, changing the pronunciation/spelling and even changing the definitions of them. You aren't concerned with correctness you're concerned with image and a pet word.

I find it interesting that you know me well enough to know what my innermost thoughts on a matter are.

Tell me, are you okay with this website being associated with illegal activity because the media is lazy and you'd rather just shrug your shoulders than correct that misconception? How would you like that used against you in real life? You're a member of a scary "hacker" forum, after all.

Words matter. Take this attitude when we're talking about "kek" vs "lol", not when we're talking about something that's being used to denigrate entire groups of people.

Re: Hackers Who Shut Down PSN and Xbox Live Now Attacking Tor

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Post by alexggordon »

yeukhon wrote: post #107
mrmondo wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I personally think they're trying to get attention for themselves to build reputation and perhaps land some sort of job / payout.

Well based on what they did, they obviously can't advertise their work. They also won't have any interest in working for SV companies. The only kind of job they are after is in the black market (organized crime and intelligence).

This. Another possibility I've considered is that they obviously wouldn't be able to get a job at any SV company, but perhaps when applying for the Chinese NSA, maybe hacking Sony is something you can put on your resume?

I guess I'm not sure, but my guess is there could be a few entities outside the US that would appreciate that kind of skill.

Re: Hackers Who Shut Down PSN and Xbox Live Now Attacking Tor

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Post by lotsofmangos »

ChristianBundy wrote: post #101

UDPATE: Lizard Squad is currently being interviewed on BBC Live 5 right now: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/player/bbc_radio_five_live

That was surreal. Felt like characters from Nathan Barley had walked into an early William Gibson novel.

Re: Hackers Who Shut Down PSN and Xbox Live Now Attacking Tor

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Post by afro88 »

mschuster91 wrote: post #96
mattdeboard wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I forgot who these guys were, but yeah I reckon. IIRC LizardSquad did allegedly "disband" awhile back, I think when some heat got applied to them, but I don't know. They were repeatedly DDOSing the servers of a game I play so I started following their exploits. I do hope law enforcement catches up with these guys sooner rather than later.

> I do hope law enforcement catches up with these guys sooner rather than later. Me not. Sony and MS need to be taught that online DRM is a massive customer experience clusterfuck, and they will only listen and learn one way: hit 'em in their pockets. Only when enough customers are angry and demand refunds that it hurts their bottom lines, then maybe online DRM measures will be finally allowed to rot in hell.

Maybe I missed it - where do they say they're DDOSing because of online DRM?

And if they are, how does online DRM justify illegal activity? I'm not going to flood someone's shop so they can't open for business because I don't like their product.

If you don't like it, don't buy it, and educate consumers on why they shouldn't buy it either. Boycotts are the most direct way to harm a company's bottom line.

Re: Hackers Who Shut Down PSN and Xbox Live Now Attacking Tor

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Post by sanswork »

Karunamon wrote: post #111
sanswork wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

English exists in its current state because it is constantly changing. Adding words, changing the pronunciation/spelling and even changing the definitions of them. You aren't concerned with correctness you're concerned with image and a pet word.

I find it interesting that you know me well enough to know what my innermost thoughts on a matter are. Tell me, are you okay with this website being associated with illegal activity because the media is lazy and you'd rather just shrug your shoulders than correct that misconception? How would you like that used against you in real life? You're a member of a scary "hacker" forum, after all. Words matter. Take this att…

I know your thoughts on the matter allow for changes because you aren't talking to me in Old English which means you are concerned with changes to specific words only AKA pet words. Then you reply with a post about how it causes image problems and confirm my original reply was correct.

>Tell me, are you okay with this website being associated with illegal activity because the media is lazy and you'd rather just shrug your shoulders than correct that misconception? How would you like that used against you in real life? You're a member of a scary "hacker" forum, after all.

I would explain that hacker has multiple meanings and be done with it.

>Words matter.

Sure and when it comes to meanings majority rules and the majority made up their mind over 15 years ago. You're not just in the extreme minority that uses it for a different meaning. You're in the extreme minority of that extreme minority that still cares that other people use it for the newer meaning.

Re: Hackers Who Shut Down PSN and Xbox Live Now Attacking Tor

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Post by belorn »

deanclatworthy wrote: post #18
jacquesm wrote: post #16

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You make me wonder if there is yet another way of compromising TOR, to ask each intelligence service to contribute a small fraction of their capacity to TOR so that the vast majority of the nodes is owned by some agency, who then exchange data through some back channel. Harder to detect and with far more resources than any single agency could provide. Or is the NSA so large that it dwarfs the resources the rest of th…

I don't think its out the realms of possibility for any intelligence agency to set up a LOT of servers at different ISPs with different credit cards and account owners.

The problem with that approach is that it need to be done very quietly, slowly, and secretly, while being large scale.

If a few hundred thousands nodes or a few massive large nodes suddenly popped up, then the admins of the tor directory servers (or some security research) would start asking question. It wasn't that long time ago that a rather large cluster came into discussion because it looked suspicious, and the situation got resolved a few days later.

Then it need to say quiet since nodes require up-time in order to be weighted favorable compare to other nodes. During this time they will generate traffic, noise and like a few abuse letters. That mean the ISP will be in communication with the intelligence agency, which in turn either require lies which could fail or agreements which can leak.

Simply put, it is likely easier, more cost effective and less fragile tap the back bone ISP network and sort out tor chains when needed.

Re: Hackers Who Shut Down PSN and Xbox Live Now Attacking Tor

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Post by deanclatworthy »

ChristianBundy wrote: post #101

UDPATE: Lizard Squad is currently being interviewed on BBC Live 5 right now: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/player/bbc_radio_five_live

I didn't catch the interview, did they mask the voices? Presumably the filter they would use could be undone fairly easily, in the same way that the "swirl" filter paedophiles were using got them caught [1].

The way in which these people are acting right now is just asking for a mistake. I would guess they have made some huge opsec mistakes already. There's a supposed dox on them already (find it yourself on Twitter).

[1] http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/10/08/interpol-untwirl...

Re: Hackers Who Shut Down PSN and Xbox Live Now Attacking Tor

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Post by Karunamon »

sanswork wrote: post #115
Karunamon wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it interesting that you know me well enough to know what my innermost thoughts on a matter are. Tell me, are you okay with this website being associated with illegal activity because the media is lazy and you'd rather just shrug your shoulders than correct that misconception? How would you like that used against you in real life? You're a member of a scary "hacker" forum, after all. Words matter. Take this att…

I know your thoughts on the matter allow for changes because you aren't talking to me in Old English which means you are concerned with changes to specific words only AKA pet words. Then you reply with a post about how it causes image problems and confirm my original reply was correct. >Tell me, are you okay with this website being associated with illegal activity because the media is lazy and you'd rather just shrug…

This is the media we're talking about. You think your (or anyone's) explanation will be taken at face value, or be taken as a member of an outgroup trying to save face?

I'll give you a hint, it's the one that outrages the most people. You don't explain away misconceptions like that.

Whatever. You may be okay with being lumped in with criminals. I am not. I will continue correcting people that make this mistake regardless of how much it annoys them to be wrong.

Re: Hackers Who Shut Down PSN and Xbox Live Now Attacking Tor

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Post by [deleted] »

sanswork wrote: post #115
Karunamon wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it interesting that you know me well enough to know what my innermost thoughts on a matter are. Tell me, are you okay with this website being associated with illegal activity because the media is lazy and you'd rather just shrug your shoulders than correct that misconception? How would you like that used against you in real life? You're a member of a scary "hacker" forum, after all. Words matter. Take this att…

I know your thoughts on the matter allow for changes because you aren't talking to me in Old English which means you are concerned with changes to specific words only AKA pet words. Then you reply with a post about how it causes image problems and confirm my original reply was correct. >Tell me, are you okay with this website being associated with illegal activity because the media is lazy and you'd rather just shrug…

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Re: Hackers Who Shut Down PSN and Xbox Live Now Attacking Tor

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Post by dec0dedab0de »

afro88 wrote: post #114
mschuster91 wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I do hope law enforcement catches up with these guys sooner rather than later. Me not. Sony and MS need to be taught that online DRM is a massive customer experience clusterfuck, and they will only listen and learn one way: hit 'em in their pockets. Only when enough customers are angry and demand refunds that it hurts their bottom lines, then maybe online DRM measures will be finally allowed to rot in hell.

Maybe I missed it - where do they say they're DDOSing because of online DRM? And if they are, how does online DRM justify illegal activity? I'm not going to flood someone's shop so they can't open for business because I don't like their product. If you don't like it, don't buy it, and educate consumers on why they shouldn't buy it either. Boycotts are the most direct way to harm a company's bottom line.

I think he means that many people didn't previously understand that they couldn't play the games they paid for when psn is down.
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