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You cannot have more than 10 years of experience in Rails

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Re: You cannot have more than 10 years of experience in Rails

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Post by kibwen »

rabble wrote: post #36

I've got more than 10 years of rails experience. I started with Rails 0.5 in July 2004. So looking at the calendar we're at 10.5 years. There were only like 5 people including DHH when i joined the #rubyonrails irc channel. And on top of that i've done lots of other things in the rails world, like managing people since then. The thing is, rails has changed so much, i'm not sure how much value there is in that. If i w…

  > The thing is, rails has changed so much, i'm not sure how 
  > much value there is in that.
To corroborate this point: I've been doing Rust for over three years now, but if you think that knowing Rust circa Oct 2011 gives you any friggin clue how to write the language today, you're extremely out of the loop.

The same can be said for C++ (which is pivoting toward a massively different style with C++11), Java (unless, like so many I've encountered, you think the language and its surrounding ecosystem hasn't changed a whit since 2002), Python... heck even PHP is changing its basic character over time, if slowly.

Re: You cannot have more than 10 years of experience in Rails

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Post by mgkimsal »

Kiro wrote: post #40
mgkimsal wrote: post #35

The reply was perhaps worded too quickly, but the ad itself indicates "If you’ve been programming professionally for around a decade, have a few years of full stack web experience (Rails, Django, PHP, Java Spring, and similar), and love learning, you’ll be a great fit." I don't understand how any of those listed technologies qualify as "full stack", but that's another discussion. Their main point was someone with 10+…

What's your definition of full stack?

Well... any inclusion of front-end technologies - that list is server side web app frameworks.

Re: You cannot have more than 10 years of experience in Rails

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Post by websitescenes »

rabble wrote: post #36

I've got more than 10 years of rails experience. I started with Rails 0.5 in July 2004. So looking at the calendar we're at 10.5 years. There were only like 5 people including DHH when i joined the #rubyonrails irc channel. And on top of that i've done lots of other things in the rails world, like managing people since then. The thing is, rails has changed so much, i'm not sure how much value there is in that. If i w…

I have 2.5 years Rails experience and use/maintain apps all the way from 1.2.6 to 4.2. Using the older versions has given me a real clear picture of the the framework as a whole; where it's been and where's it's going. I think having this experience is highly valuable.

Re: You cannot have more than 10 years of experience in Rails

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Post by jetti »

Since there was no indication on the job ad that the position actually required 10 years of Rails experience, I'm going out on a limb and say that they just didn't want you/the author. From this brief article it seems that the author has a inflated ego, I mean I could never mess with an interviewer like that just because I know that people make mistakes. I think that this particular company didn't do anything wrong and calling them out like the author did doesn't make the company look bad but just makes the author look bad.

Re: You cannot have more than 10 years of experience in Rails

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Post by pcl »

hga wrote: post #30
ivanche wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Care to elaborate this a bit, for us outside of USA? I'm genuinely interested - what are advantages for company to hire H1B candidate(s)?

Pay a fraction of a citizen or permanent resident's salary to a quasi-indentured servant, in that if you fire them it's iffy if they can find another H-1B gig before they have to leave the country. In the one case I observed first hand while at Lucent in 2001, an arguably more qualified and very smart Jamaican doing the same job as me was paid $48K (H-1B salaries have to be posted) while I was making $80K. He knew he…

In my experience, it's gone more like this:

Find an awesome candidate for a position. He's on an H1B. Learn that he can only be hired into a position that can't be filled by a permanent resident, but can be filled by him. Create such a job description.

Re: You cannot have more than 10 years of experience in Rails

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Post by stephen_g »

peterjancelis wrote: post #29
philliphaydon wrote: post #23

"there was also some confusion as to Bootstrap. According to the project manager Bootstrap is also responsive. (No kidding?) I said that’s great because I use Twitter Bootstrap and that is responsive as well. (I was playing games at that point) Then I was told they where not the same? I don’t know if that was the breaking point, but it was amusing." ^ This whole thing makes 0 sense to me. I can't tell who is wrong wi…

Yes didn't get this part either. It's perfectly possible the interviewer asked the interviewee to explain the difference between Responsive Design (the concept) and Twitter Bootstrap (the framework that implements it).

Not to mention that Bootstrap hasn't been called 'Twitter Bootstrap' for almost two years now...

Re: You cannot have more than 10 years of experience in Rails

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Post by frostmatthew »

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #18

All this tells me is they didn't want to say why they rejected you, lack of a required experience is a benign excuse. The reality might be you were too old, too young, too smart, too stupid, wrong race, looked like the guy who ran off with the managers wife, who knows. I would never expect to learn anything from a job rejection, or for that matter from a lost sale.

> I would never expect to learn anything from a job rejection, or for that matter from a lost sale.

It isn't always (or even usually) the case, but it does happen.

When I was looking to leave my first development job (where I was the sole developer at a very small non-profit) I made sure to highlight during interviews that I was the only developer. Two companies let me know they were passing on me largely because of my lack of team experience. After that I didn't overly emphasize the fact I was the only developer and had three offers in under a month. [And sure there most likely were additional factors but the point is you can get meaningful feedback from a rejection].

Re: You cannot have more than 10 years of experience in Rails

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Post by chvid »

"But then I remember that I follow @DHH on twitter and Ruby is kind of new. (Just an FYI @DHH created Rudy and he did it ~10 years ago. I follow @DHH not because of Rails, mostly because of his libertarian oriented tweets, much like myself.)"

Let's not throw the first stone, eh ...

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