UI Performance Decline – OS X Tiger to Yosemite [video] • Hacker News Board

Re: UI Performance Decline – OS X Tiger to Yosemite [video]

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Post by tracker1 » Wed, Dec 24, 2014, 11:36 PM UTC

carlosrg wrote: post #140

MarcScott wrote: post #110

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Yosemite was just the push I needed to switch to Linux. I shoved Ubuntu server on my MBP with the i3 windows manager and have never been happier.

Same here. I installed Fedora 21 and dwm as the window manager. I didn't know this computer could be this fast (2010 MacBook Air). The bad thing is the battery duration, which is significantly worse than Mavericks (but approximately the same as Yosemite... I got around 5-6 hours of battery life with Mavericks, 3-4 hours with Yosemite and Linux). I still remember when people were impressed by the speed and smoothness…

My (March 2011) MBP with an SSD booted Snow Leopard in about 7-8 seconds from the bong sound to the complete desktop... My current (September 2014) MBP takes so much longer (just under Mavericks, haven't gone to Yosemite yet)... I find this disappointing.. not being able to upgrade the ram doubly so.

This will probably be my last mac hardware purchase... I like the screen and the touchpad so much better than any other laptop, but don't really use it that much, and even then I could have gotten something with similar hardware for half the price... I've thought about installing Ubuntu on it, but haven't taken the plunge just yet... I spend almost 2/3 of my time on my laptop in either a windows or linux vm, so it's kind of a wash.

Re: UI Performance Decline – OS X Tiger to Yosemite [video]

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Post by JohnBooty » Thu, Dec 25, 2014, 12:10 AM UTC

blkhp19 wrote: post #207

JohnBooty wrote: post #102

I hadn't noticed any perceptible performance differences in Yosemite on my 2011 MBP. After reading this article, I opened up System Preferences on an external WQHD monitor and... yes, indeed. That transition is not very smooth. Informally, it doesn't seem slower ...it's just not as smooth as the old effect. As another poster noted, in Yosemite those panels now use a cross-dissolve effect instead the simpler slide and…

I totally agree the example I posted is ridiculous. Let me explain why I did it. I was a hackintosh user for years. I got an old lenovo from 2007 with an intel core 2 duo and thought it would be fun to install OS X Tiger on it. Install went smoothly except the intel integrated graphics wasn't supported. I decided to check out System Preferences to see how much had changed in all these years. I immediately noticed thi…

If you ever get the itch, I'd love to see follow-up posts with examples that are more system-wide in nature!

Re: UI Performance Decline – OS X Tiger to Yosemite [video]

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Post by axotty » Thu, Dec 25, 2014, 12:51 AM UTC

general_failure wrote: post #216

For me the installation bombed. Just locked up forever in 1 min remaining.

This has happened to me during every OS X upgrade/reinstallation I can remember. The first time, I also assumed that it just wasn't working. I've since learned that the 99% is deceiving in terms of the expectations it might give you. You just have to be patient and it'll eventually work.

Re: UI Performance Decline – OS X Tiger to Yosemite [video]

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Post by RoseO » Thu, Dec 25, 2014, 1:16 AM UTC

w1ntermute wrote: post #65

city41 wrote: post #22

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I'm at my wits end with Yosemite. I'm very seriously considering switching to Linux or Windows. Of the numerous problems this OS has, my biggest problem is waking my rMBP from sleep. About 20% of the time, it just doesn't wake up and requires a hard shutdown. I never had that problem with Mountain Lion or Mavericks.

I recommend running Linux (any stable distro) with Xfce. It's worked/looked exactly the same for years[0], and there won't be any sudden/unpleasant changes in the future either. 0: http://xfce.org/about/screenshots

I second this, I just switched my MBA to Xubuntu and I'm loving it.

Re: UI Performance Decline – OS X Tiger to Yosemite [video]

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Post by mahyarm » Thu, Dec 25, 2014, 1:41 AM UTC

cmelbye wrote: post #79

mahyarm wrote: post #54

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I think a big part of it is the glass blur effect that they put on everything with yosemite. I also feel that since iOS 7 that stability and quality has gone down a lot, or they got too ambitious with the glass blur effect.

Have you used iOS 7.1+ on an iPhone 5/5S or better? I haven't noticed any performance issues since iOS 7.0. I think they've optimized the hell out of the blur effect at this point. Bugs and generally poor software quality, however? Yes.

As a general experience it's 'good enough' on the iphone 5. It would of been cut otherwise. But for example if you compare starting and using any app on iOS 6 vs iOS 7, you'll find out that the exact same executable is far faster on iOS 6 than iOS 7.

They said at wwdc that the blur effect took a lot of 'optimization' work. You don't have a lot of control over how it works and in iOS 7 you had to hack it in by using a UIToolbar vs applying it to a UIView in iOS 8. If you have any view with a significant amount of the blur effect on screen, the animation speed will slow down considerably in the simulator.

They use the effect everywhere in iOS and I bet it does contribute to a decent chunk of performance reduction.

Re: UI Performance Decline – OS X Tiger to Yosemite [video]

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Post by mikhailt » Thu, Dec 25, 2014, 1:44 AM UTC

fiatpandas wrote: post #20

You would think with all the smart, detail oriented, outgoing people at apple, SOMEONE would have pulled the person responsible for shifting to a yearly cycle and tell them: "look, this accelerated release cycle, it's not resulting in quality software. It's hurting our reputation. It's not performing on 2 year old hardware. People are losing faith in our ability to release stable bug-free builds. Users shouldn't have…

> You would think with all the smart, detail oriented, outgoing people at apple, SOMEONE would have pulled the person responsible for shifting to a yearly cycle and tell them

Let me ask you a question off the topic, have you ever successfully take your boss aside and tell him he's not managing the situation right and the whole project stinks? (Paraphrasing what you're basically saying) A lot of people would be afraid to speak up.

I doubt the Apple managers are encouraging the engineers to speak their minds. Look at the recent reports of how badly the iCloud and Map divisions were managed, not to mention the ways SJ practically pushed his employees over the limits for his own vision and not listening to anything else.

Apple has smart engineers but I doubt they have managers that understand what QA is all about and focusing on quality than numbers.

Re: UI Performance Decline – OS X Tiger to Yosemite [video]

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Post by oscargrouch » Thu, Dec 25, 2014, 1:52 AM UTC

oscargrouch wrote: post #25

lucisferre wrote: post #9

Yosemite has been a major regression in almost every respect, I actually regret upgrading. Aside from the obvious and major performance and stability issues the major features are just plain broken. For example, try answering your phone from your computer. It takes way too long to actually pick up the call from the phone and then when you try to answer it bugs up so that in the end you can never actually answer the c…

I've always thought of Apple as a marketing company that happens to sell technology, and not a technology company that sells through marketing. Also the capitalism of today with all of its lust for profits, sales, budgets, and deadlines its kind of luddite, can have a predatory behaviour for innovation and advancements in technology in general. I think if tech companies want to survive for more than 10/20 years, they…

Oh forgive me priest of the Apple church, cause i've committed a sin.. How many ipads i have to buy to be forgiven?

creepy..

Re: UI Performance Decline – OS X Tiger to Yosemite [video]

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Post by mullingitover » Thu, Dec 25, 2014, 1:52 AM UTC

raverbashing wrote: post #113

mullingitover wrote: post #82

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That's no problem, just upgrade your ram! Oh wait...

You can upgrade the RAM on the MacBook Pro Source: using 16GB here

None of the rMBPs, nor the minis have upgradeable ram. If I had to put money on it I'd bet a dollar the next-gen iMacs will be in the same boat. Just too hard to pass up that 400% markup.

Re: UI Performance Decline – OS X Tiger to Yosemite [video]

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Post by dllthomas » Thu, Dec 25, 2014, 1:54 AM UTC

keithpeter wrote: post #192

rayiner wrote: post #186

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On a laptop, the regression in battery life switching to Linux or Windows is just a no-go. Also, it's not like Linux is famous for "just working" when it comes to suspend/resume.

Ubuntu 9.04 onwards no big issues with suspend to ram. Hibernate to disk can be problematic if someone uses 'guided partitioning' as the swap space is sometimes a little small. Hardware: Thinkpads (T41, X60, X200) and Dell Latitude (E5420), currently Debian Sid.

I've also had no trouble with this, lately, though I have no idea how well that generalizes to others' experiences.

Re: UI Performance Decline – OS X Tiger to Yosemite [video]

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Post by oscargrouch » Thu, Dec 25, 2014, 2:09 AM UTC

code_duck wrote: post #42

oscargrouch wrote: post #25

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I've always thought of Apple as a marketing company that happens to sell technology, and not a technology company that sells through marketing. Also the capitalism of today with all of its lust for profits, sales, budgets, and deadlines its kind of luddite, can have a predatory behaviour for innovation and advancements in technology in general. I think if tech companies want to survive for more than 10/20 years, they…

A marketing company that happens to sell technology would be selling some sort of standard solution. As Apple develops everything from their protocols to chips to operating systems to complete devices in house... I'd say they're a technology company who also takes marketing very seriously.

My point is, Apple is not successful because they have the best technology, they are successful because they have the best marketing (and cult followers)