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UI Performance Decline – OS X Tiger to Yosemite [video]

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Re: UI Performance Decline – OS X Tiger to Yosemite [video]

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Post by Silhouette »

vardump wrote: post #148
lobster_johnson wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If Yosemite, iOS 8 and other recent changes have shown anything, it is that that problems are not consistent across the user base -- some users are plagued by bugs, while others are somehow, inexplicably completely problem-free. I myself have been hit hard by Yosemite bugs (graphics glitches, slowness, wifi not connecting at all, very slow wifi, Mac not coming out of sleep, AirPlay issues, Airdrop issues, Bluetooth s…

Similar story here, and I don't even bother complaining anymore. The product is perfect. My fault, that Wifi doesn't finds no APs (fixed now in Yosemite), Bluetooth works occasionally (better in Yosemite, not up to par with competition), camera works once in Skype + next time after reboot (still happens) and audio stutters (still happens, but not as bad as in Mavericks). Oh, and don't get me started on the power bric…

My next laptop won't have a fruity logo. I need something that Just Works.

I'm right there with you, but the trouble is, I'm not sure anything satisfies that criteria any more. :-(

Not so long ago, I was expecting to go the other way, with our next laptops here having that fruity logo precisely because we expected OS X to Just Work where Windows 8 was just nasty.

However, right now, neither of the major commercial platforms is at all appealing, and anything Linux-based still has the fundamental problem that there aren't enough professional quality applications available to meet our needs yet. Relying on SaaS to break the OS strangleholds is also a questionable business move that we are increasingly glad we haven't made as the stories of broken "upgrades", sharp price increases, and outright cancelled services pile up.

I'm holding out some hope that either MS will come back with the next version of Windows and promote some sort of very-long-term stability and support (which is something they have historically been good at, but it seems unlikely with their new choice of leadership) or the FOSS work will finally start to take over (but this probably requires changes in the law, specifically making clear that patents are not enforceable anywhere that matters on things used for interoperability like data formats, communications protocols, and algorithms necessary to work with them).

Re: UI Performance Decline – OS X Tiger to Yosemite [video]

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Post by seanalltogether »

mergy wrote: post #47

The decline started with Lion. Snow Leopard was the pinnacle of the OS. They were able to offset or mask some of this with SSD drives. But, it has become pretty sloppy for folks that really wanted to tune their systems for performance. Couple that with the questionable changes on the UI over the last couple major releases and I didn't see anything I wanted anymore.

Adium still lists 14% of their users on Snow Leopard.

https://www.adium.im/sparkle/#osVersion

It's painful to support these days but I'm still trying keep my apps compatible with it.

Re: UI Performance Decline – OS X Tiger to Yosemite [video]

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Post by grandalf »

coldtea wrote: post #89
grandalf wrote: post #36

Not sure what everyone is talking about, I loaded Yosemite on my 3 macbooks (2010 11" air, 2011 13" air, and 2014 13" pro) and it works perfectly on all with no glitching whatsoever.

Could be a retina thing. I see it on my MBPr 15 2013.

my MBP is a MBPr

Re: UI Performance Decline – OS X Tiger to Yosemite [video]

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Post by jseliger »

lucisferre wrote: post #9

Yosemite has been a major regression in almost every respect, I actually regret upgrading. Aside from the obvious and major performance and stability issues the major features are just plain broken. For example, try answering your phone from your computer. It takes way too long to actually pick up the call from the phone and then when you try to answer it bugs up so that in the end you can never actually answer the c…

Aside from the obvious and major performance and stability issues Here's another one, which I've been experiencing: https://discussions.apple.com/message/27289663#27289663

I don't know why WindowServer keeps crashing in this fashion.

Re: UI Performance Decline – OS X Tiger to Yosemite [video]

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Post by simonh »

oscargrouch wrote: post #25
lucisferre wrote: post #9

Yosemite has been a major regression in almost every respect, I actually regret upgrading. Aside from the obvious and major performance and stability issues the major features are just plain broken. For example, try answering your phone from your computer. It takes way too long to actually pick up the call from the phone and then when you try to answer it bugs up so that in the end you can never actually answer the c…

I've always thought of Apple as a marketing company that happens to sell technology, and not a technology company that sells through marketing. Also the capitalism of today with all of its lust for profits, sales, budgets, and deadlines its kind of luddite, can have a predatory behaviour for innovation and advancements in technology in general. I think if tech companies want to survive for more than 10/20 years, they…

They design their own CPUs, displays, operating systems, consumer and professional applications, connectors, development tools and languages, desktops, laptops and mobile devices in house.

Which company would you say has a greater engineering footprint across technologies and business sectors than Apple? There are a few tech companies that actually do one or two things that Apple doesn't, but I can't think of any that do everything that Apple does.

Re: UI Performance Decline – OS X Tiger to Yosemite [video]

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Post by rayiner »

w1ntermute wrote: post #65
city41 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm at my wits end with Yosemite. I'm very seriously considering switching to Linux or Windows. Of the numerous problems this OS has, my biggest problem is waking my rMBP from sleep. About 20% of the time, it just doesn't wake up and requires a hard shutdown. I never had that problem with Mountain Lion or Mavericks.

I recommend running Linux (any stable distro) with Xfce. It's worked/looked exactly the same for years[0], and there won't be any sudden/unpleasant changes in the future either. 0: http://xfce.org/about/screenshots

On a laptop, the regression in battery life switching to Linux or Windows is just a no-go. Also, it's not like Linux is famous for "just working" when it comes to suspend/resume.

Re: UI Performance Decline – OS X Tiger to Yosemite [video]

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Post by zacwest »

seanalltogether wrote: post #182
mergy wrote: post #47

The decline started with Lion. Snow Leopard was the pinnacle of the OS. They were able to offset or mask some of this with SSD drives. But, it has become pretty sloppy for folks that really wanted to tune their systems for performance. Couple that with the questionable changes on the UI over the last couple major releases and I didn't see anything I wanted anymore.

Adium still lists 14% of their users on Snow Leopard. https://www.adium.im/sparkle/#osVersion It's painful to support these days but I'm still trying keep my apps compatible with it.

Adium has had a huge decline in users, though, since then, so the percentage isn't as informative.

For example, if you look back to a couple years ago, we had ~180k stats pings for the same week period[1] as we do now at ~20k[2].

I think what you're seeing/reporting here is that users who still use Adium are not entirely upgrading. That's probably true, but has more to do with Messages.app in newer versions supporting iMessage than anything else.

(I was one of the Adium developers for years. I don't even use it anymore because of the prevalence of iMessage and the decline in general IM.)

[1]: https://www.adium.im/sparkle/?year=2012&week=01&graph=bar [2]: https://www.adium.im/sparkle/?year=2014&week=51&graph=bar

Re: UI Performance Decline – OS X Tiger to Yosemite [video]

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Post by ianamartin »

tolmasky wrote: post #12
lucisferre wrote: post #9

Yosemite has been a major regression in almost every respect, I actually regret upgrading. Aside from the obvious and major performance and stability issues the major features are just plain broken. For example, try answering your phone from your computer. It takes way too long to actually pick up the call from the phone and then when you try to answer it bugs up so that in the end you can never actually answer the c…

The phone thing was infuriating. After upgrading all of a sudden every device I own would start ringing like crazy: phone, computer, Apple TV STOPS airplay because the iPad streaming to it was also buzzing like mad. I KNOW I KNOW, you can turn it off, but I hate the fact that upgrading my OS has now become "turn off the 10 gimmick features so you can get back to some level of sanity", especially because after I pick…

I kind of love this bug. It's the perfect excuse for never talking to anyone.

Mom/Dad/Wife/Girlfriend/Boss: "Hey! Pick up your phone!"

"Can't. No phone calls where I live."

"Oh. Where do you live?"

"Yosemite."

"Oh. Sorry."

Re: UI Performance Decline – OS X Tiger to Yosemite [video]

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Post by seanalltogether »

zacwest wrote: post #187
seanalltogether wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Adium still lists 14% of their users on Snow Leopard. https://www.adium.im/sparkle/#osVersion It's painful to support these days but I'm still trying keep my apps compatible with it.

Adium has had a huge decline in users, though, since then, so the percentage isn't as informative. For example, if you look back to a couple years ago, we had ~180k stats pings for the same week period[1] as we do now at ~20k[2]. I think what you're seeing/reporting here is that users who still use Adium are not entirely upgrading. That's probably true, but has more to do with Messages.app in newer versions supportin…

That's too bad Adium is in decline. I've always tried to not rely on Apples built in messsaging and hoped a lot of other users still felt the same.

Re: UI Performance Decline – OS X Tiger to Yosemite [video]

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Post by chrisdroukas »

mcintyre1994 wrote: post #177
jdhawk wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not downgrade to Mountain Lion? Security updates?

Just to check, do Apple only provide security updates to the newest OS X?

No. Apple provides security updates for several versions. They most recently patched NTP for Mountain Lion, Mavericks and Yosemite at the same time.

http://support.apple.com/en-us/HT1222

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