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UI Performance Decline – OS X Tiger to Yosemite [video]

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Re: UI Performance Decline – OS X Tiger to Yosemite [video]

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Post by coldtea »

x0054 wrote: post #57

I recently updated from Mavericks to Yosemite on my 2012 rMBP. Even with no transparency on my battery life was down from 6+ hours to less than 3.5 hours! And everything is so annoyingly slow. After 3 days with Yosemite I had to use my wife's 2009 Air for something, it's running Mavericks, and wow, the speed! That day I restored from a backup and now I am back to running 10.9. My battery is back to 6+ hours, and my l…

>I recently updated from Mavericks to Yosemite on my 2012 rMBP. Even with no transparency on my battery life was down from 6+ hours to less than 3.5 hours! And everything is so annoyingly slow.

Actually your memory usage should go down with Yosemite -- they have new technologies just for that. Same for battery file, it should go up.

Since this is HN, do people do basic investigation, or assume that anything that doesn't seem to work is a lost cause and just switch OSs, re-install, or complain?

Your experience for example seems more like some rogue app with extensive CPU/memory usage driving the battery down. Have you checked Activity Monitor to try to spot if that was the case?

Re: UI Performance Decline – OS X Tiger to Yosemite [video]

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Post by cmsimike »

vbezhenar wrote: post #49
lucisferre wrote: post #9

Yosemite has been a major regression in almost every respect, I actually regret upgrading. Aside from the obvious and major performance and stability issues the major features are just plain broken. For example, try answering your phone from your computer. It takes way too long to actually pick up the call from the phone and then when you try to answer it bugs up so that in the end you can never actually answer the c…

One major drawback for me is a constant flickering in Intellij Idea and Emacs. I'm not sure who is responsible for this, but user experience is just terrible. I'll definitely downgrade to 10.9 when I'll have enough spare time. I didn't see much problems besides it. I like new design, animations are smooth enough for me and everything works well enough.

I noticed the same in IntelliJ 12. Tried 14 and still had issues. I noticed the flickering goes away once I've turned off Flux (or, at least it doesn't flicker as often).

Not saying it is Flux's fault but I'm curious if you're running Flux and get the same result when exiting.

Re: UI Performance Decline – OS X Tiger to Yosemite [video]

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Post by eeZi »

sandGorgon wrote: post #50
city41 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm at my wits end with Yosemite. I'm very seriously considering switching to Linux or Windows. Of the numerous problems this OS has, my biggest problem is waking my rMBP from sleep. About 20% of the time, it just doesn't wake up and requires a hard shutdown. I never had that problem with Mountain Lion or Mavericks.

Please do try Gnome 3.14 - Right now, it is only part of Fedora 21. But I think you will love it. Do give it a shot.

Arch Linux too.

Re: UI Performance Decline – OS X Tiger to Yosemite [video]

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Post by coldtea »

mayhaffs wrote: post #83

While loitering in the local Apple store, I got on a new 5k iMac and started launching a bunch of applications with multiple windows, alt-tabbing and clicking around really fast, etc. Normal dev workflow stuff.. Discovering the glitchy flash in the system preferences pane was really unsettling. Almost a uncanny valley type situation. I'm still on Mavericks. I've been waiting for bug fixes from Apple and application s…

>Are there actually more bugs in Yosemite/iOS8? And if so, can we identify potential factors?

No. There are some bugs and some glitches, like in every release.

Nothing to write home about, except from a small percentage of the population with a Mac from a faulty production run (but that's hardware, not the OS), or with some software that's hogging the cpu (but that's the software, not the OS).

I have this flashing in System Prefs -- it's a small annoyance, but nothing especially interesting or getting in the way. There are 2-3 more bugs. And some things introduced

I was there from OS X 10.2. People have complained for every single OS X release...

Re: UI Performance Decline – OS X Tiger to Yosemite [video]

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Post by derefr »

blkhp19 wrote: post #19
lucisferre wrote: post #9

Yosemite has been a major regression in almost every respect, I actually regret upgrading. Aside from the obvious and major performance and stability issues the major features are just plain broken. For example, try answering your phone from your computer. It takes way too long to actually pick up the call from the phone and then when you try to answer it bugs up so that in the end you can never actually answer the c…

Answering calls on my Mac is one of my favorite new features. When it works, it works well. When it doesn't work, it fails upfront. You really have to play with your icloud and FaceTime settings to trick it into working. It's absurd how complicated the whole relationship between iCloud, FaceTime, iMessages, and my devices is. The settings need to be perfect for things to work correctly. I can't even imagine if it was…

You should see what you have to do to get SMS Continuity working if you have a phone provider that hasn't been "verified" by Apple as supporting iMessage: http://www.theonlinemac.com/windhelp

Re: UI Performance Decline – OS X Tiger to Yosemite [video]

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Post by rdsubhas »

city41 wrote: post #22
lucisferre wrote: post #9

Yosemite has been a major regression in almost every respect, I actually regret upgrading. Aside from the obvious and major performance and stability issues the major features are just plain broken. For example, try answering your phone from your computer. It takes way too long to actually pick up the call from the phone and then when you try to answer it bugs up so that in the end you can never actually answer the c…

I'm at my wits end with Yosemite. I'm very seriously considering switching to Linux or Windows. Of the numerous problems this OS has, my biggest problem is waking my rMBP from sleep. About 20% of the time, it just doesn't wake up and requires a hard shutdown. I never had that problem with Mountain Lion or Mavericks.

Go to "System Preferences - Accessibility" and enable "Differentiate without Color" and "Reduce Transparency". Made a world of a difference to me, and I no longer think about Mountain Lion.

Re: UI Performance Decline – OS X Tiger to Yosemite [video]

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Post by derefr »

pervycreeper wrote: post #72
grandalf wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It keeps the size of each update much smaller and less error-prone. Each update contains a few significant changes and lots of minor ones. It's a good strategy for a variety of reasons: - it lets the OS theming feel fresh on a regular basis - it lets apple break/disable bad apps that have entered the ecosystem - it keeps all the OSS binaries more in sync with the fast-paced OSS world. - it lets the actual periodic se…

>it lets the OS theming feel fresh on a regular basis I doubt they will be making significant changes every year. 2014 was the exception >it keeps all the OSS binaries more in sync with the fast-paced OSS world Too many key utilities are extremely outdated due to GPL3. Apple also seems to be moving away from free software wherever it can >Each release contains the byproduct of massive amounts of research/data. They s…

Away from Free Software™, yes. Away from open-source software? Not at all. The MIT/BSD-licenced parts of OSX get updated all the time.

Re: UI Performance Decline – OS X Tiger to Yosemite [video]

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Post by blkhp19 »

w1ntermute wrote: post #65
city41 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm at my wits end with Yosemite. I'm very seriously considering switching to Linux or Windows. Of the numerous problems this OS has, my biggest problem is waking my rMBP from sleep. About 20% of the time, it just doesn't wake up and requires a hard shutdown. I never had that problem with Mountain Lion or Mavericks.

I recommend running Linux (any stable distro) with Xfce. It's worked/looked exactly the same for years[0], and there won't be any sudden/unpleasant changes in the future either. 0: http://xfce.org/about/screenshots

While I'm (we're) critical of the regressions when it comes to UI performance, switching to linux means giving up an entire ecosystem of apps, completely changing workflows, and in some cases depending on the kind of development that one does, making our jobs impossible.
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