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Attack Is Suspected as North Korean Internet Collapses

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Re: Attack Is Suspected as North Korean Internet Collapses

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Post by palmer_eldritch »

rdlecler1 wrote: post #93
SEJeff wrote: post #19

Do people seriously think the USG is behind a ddos when Anonymous has already stated they are going to go after the DRPK? http://www.inquisitr.com/1691688/anonymous-announces-vengean...

I read that Anonymous rejected the North Korea hypothesis: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/12/20/sony-hacker...

Just because some people posing as anonymous rejected the hypothesis it doesn't mean no other people posing as anonymous still accept it.

Also, you seem to ignore the fact that many people posing as anonymous would take part in an action like that regardless of what they believe. Anonymous has always been more about "doing it for the lulz" than politics, even if the ones posing as "doing it for the politics" are overrepresented in the medias.

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Post by crdoconnor »

Crito wrote: post #107
jusben1369 wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well to be clear to the North Koreans this is 100% a propaganda movie.

There seems that people living under regimes with limited freedom often fail to comprehend that people living in other countries might produce something without the explicit approval of their government. To the North Koreans, it is beyond comprehension that people living in the US made something, rather than the US government making it. To them, if Americans made it, that means America made it. This misunderstanding…

That's incredibly naive. The likelihood of a Hollywood corporation releasing a North Korean movie that made any endorsements of the country is virtually nil. It is structurally impossible. That is in part thanks to the extremely blurred distinction between US corporations and the state.

If North Korea suddenly became a US ally, though, it would happen eventually.

Hollywood has often been a front for US policymakers to covertly influence domestic opinion. You may be oblivious to this, but I doubt the North Koreans are.

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Post by oracuk »

peteretep wrote: post #176
bencollier49 wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

C) The Iraq War WMD-dossier-fairy told them.

Pretty sure they recently confirmed a great deal of WMD was found in Iraq... [1] http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/uranium-shipped-to-montreal-fro... [2] http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/14/world/middleea...

When talking about the Iraq dossier there were proven falsehoods.

"Without exception, all of the allegations included within the September Dossier have been since proven to be false, as shown by the Iraq Survey Group."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_Dossier

Re: Attack Is Suspected as North Korean Internet Collapses

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Post by Rapzid »

zaroth wrote: post #175
Rapzid wrote: post #130

Obama already calibrated the governments stance on this ordeal when he said the Sony hack was vandalism and NOT terrorism. I don't believe the government being responsible for NK's internet problems is in line with that. He also seemed to believe that the fault for any censorship as a result of the hack lies squarely within the US.

IMO it lies squarely with the FBI who wouldn't say it was not a credible threat. If you come to the FBI with a threat, and they say that it's credible, what are you going to do next?

After the government told me something about a security threat? The same government that puts us on these orange and yellow and red alerts and nothing ever happens? And if something does happen there is no alert, or there are too many security advisories they don't know which ones are credible and then the whole incident gets politicised, turned into a blame game, and broken down into sound bites for Rush and ammo for polarized netizens to spew at each other turning every comment section on every current event article, ever, into a partisan war?

Yeah, I'm not sure. But I can tell you I don't know a person alive or an institution operating today for which I could tell you how I would react to information they gave me without being fully seeped in the context in which it was given.

Also, I don't know anything about what the FBI did or didn't say. I just know what was released(yeah :|) on what Obama said, which was that he would have liked for Sony or the Movie chains to have reached out.

Ultimately, I think it's a societal issue. Our culture has become terrorized since 9/11. We are a bunch of wet blankets. It's a huge problem that we have no spine outside the military/intelligence community. We just get led around by the nose.

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Post by gldalmaso »

jmnicolas wrote: post #16

Of course, NK won't be pissed at all and they're not going to retaliate at all (yeah I know it's probably the goal of this attack). This might be the first steps of the first cyber world war for all I know. The only good thing is that only the elite will be affected by the collapse of NK Internet (no porn for a while). The average citizen probably can't even grasp what the net is, and none of her life is linked to it…

From my understanding of NK, if they retaliate, my bet is that it will be in the realm of physical and not cyber at all. Possibly blowing up the first american person/property they can reach.

Maybe the whole point is to instigate an escalation from "alleged vandalism" to "verifiable act of war".

Re: Attack Is Suspected as North Korean Internet Collapses

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Post by AlyssaRowan »

patronagezero wrote: post #134
autokad wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

he's down voted but not too far off base. The US has already used hacker organizations to inadvertently act in the interests of the US government. Considering that the US almost certainly has moles in Anonymous, it wouldn't be hard to influence them to target Korea

You're over-complicating the issue, I think. Why not just do it themselves, then claim it was 'Anonymous'? No convincing required and no one to argue with. The whole thing smells like just another move to convince the non-believers into thinking NK was responsible for the Sony hack.

Both the US FBI (via, for example, their mole sabu) and the UK (via GCHQ's JTRIG) have previously conducted offensive operations under the cover of Anons. (Of course that doesn't make a lot of sense as an attribution, as Anonymous isn't really a group of any conventional kind.)

This looks like a small DoS against one router, as any random could do (and perhaps has done), but of course, .kp doesn't have much connection to the public internet, so that's about all it takes. And it isn't exactly a big impact on them as a country - yet it's still knocking a country off the internet.

I believe the attribution to DPRK is very probably false. I think the Sony hack was quite probably conducted by non-state actors, but there is far too little information to be sure. The US have unfortunately impeded honest forensic investigations.

And I believe that attacks on the internet, any part of it, are destructive and not constructive. The US would be extremely displeased if the same - cutting it off the internet - happened to it, so I dearly hope they are not stupid and short-sighted enough to be responsible! Whomever is behind this deserves condemnation.

Perhaps we need a treaty. Yet when a few determined individuals can do offensively essentially what a nation can, I'm not sure how that's possible. But focusing on offense will only make everything worse - the US probably has more to lose from so-called "cyber war" than any other nation on earth. It should be leading the charge against it. It isn't. And that's a huge mistake.

Re: Attack Is Suspected as North Korean Internet Collapses

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Post by darkstar999 »

n09n wrote: post #136
darkstar999 wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That twitter account is banned. What's to stop me from creating an "Anonymous" account and acting like "them"?

What is it with old people and their complete inability to understand Anonymous? If you did that, you wouldn't be acting like "them", you would be part of Anonymous.

> old people

Really? Age has anything to do with this? "What's with black people and their complete inability..."

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