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Re: Ask HN: XMPP/Jabber self hosting

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Post by doxcf434 » Mon, Dec 22, 2014, 6:54 PM UTC

haidrali wrote: post #16

haidrali wrote: post #13

I'have been using Tigase for our chat application ( https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.hyperon.sm... ) the decision of selecting server depends totally upon your requirement. I have used Tigase, Openfire and Jabbered 2 for different projects and have done with lots of customization in them. If sclability is your main requirement my suggestion would be 1- Tigase 2- Jabbered 2 3- Openfire I have also hea…

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8670234/scaling-tigase-xm... is a good link if you want to know why i prefer Tigase ....

Tigase supports mongodb now, which removes a single point of failure. Nice feature.

Re: Ask HN: XMPP/Jabber self hosting

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Post by thallian » Mon, Dec 22, 2014, 7:14 PM UTC

structural wrote: post #15

I've set up a XMPP server using Prosody after evaluating what are typically regarded as the top 3 implementations (ejabberd, Openfire, and Prosody). I ended up with a Prosody install primarily for two reasons: 1) Memory consumption/stability 2) Authentication support The XMPP server hosts up to 700-800 simultaneous users and is located on a machine that provides many other services. With both ejabberd and openfire at…

+1 for Prosody.

I run it on a much smaller scale with imap authentication and it works flawlessly.

Re: Ask HN: XMPP/Jabber self hosting

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Post by foupfeiffer » Mon, Dec 22, 2014, 7:22 PM UTC

https://www.hipchat.com/server is all of the functionality (persistent searchable rooms, image uploads, mobile clients, video, emoticons (allthethings) etc.) of HipChat.com but behind the firewall (on premise). Disclaimer I'm a dev on the project, though to be fair everybody in the Beta has been happy with it.

Re: Ask HN: XMPP/Jabber self hosting

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Post by coned88 » Mon, Dec 22, 2014, 7:23 PM UTC

foupfeiffer wrote: post #33

https://www.hipchat.com/server is all of the functionality (persistent searchable rooms, image uploads, mobile clients, video, emoticons (allthethings) etc.) of HipChat.com but behind the firewall (on premise). Disclaimer I'm a dev on the project, though to be fair everybody in the Beta has been happy with it.

I never knew hipchat was a jabber system

Re: Ask HN: XMPP/Jabber self hosting

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Post by foupfeiffer » Mon, Dec 22, 2014, 7:27 PM UTC

coned88 wrote: post #34

foupfeiffer wrote: post #33

https://www.hipchat.com/server is all of the functionality (persistent searchable rooms, image uploads, mobile clients, video, emoticons (allthethings) etc.) of HipChat.com but behind the firewall (on premise). Disclaimer I'm a dev on the project, though to be fair everybody in the Beta has been happy with it.

I never knew hipchat was a jabber system

Yup! =)

http://help.hipchat.com/knowledgebase/articles/64377-xmpp-ja...

https://github.com/hipchat/hubot-hipchat

Re: Ask HN: XMPP/Jabber self hosting

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Post by zsiddique » Mon, Dec 22, 2014, 7:33 PM UTC

coned88 wrote: post #34

foupfeiffer wrote: post #33

https://www.hipchat.com/server is all of the functionality (persistent searchable rooms, image uploads, mobile clients, video, emoticons (allthethings) etc.) of HipChat.com but behind the firewall (on premise). Disclaimer I'm a dev on the project, though to be fair everybody in the Beta has been happy with it.

I never knew hipchat was a jabber system

We post publicly our XMPP Protocol for people building 3rd party addons that use XMPP (or clients): https://ecosystem.atlassian.net/wiki/display/HCDEV/HipChat+X...

Re: Ask HN: XMPP/Jabber self hosting

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Post by praveenster » Mon, Dec 22, 2014, 7:40 PM UTC

I have also been researching this topic for a while. I was using Google hangouts for a while but lately it seems to be dropping messages. Tried Skype next but it will only keep message history on the cloud for 30 days. Next evaluated Facebook. It works quite well but I want to host my own on a VPS. The top three alternatives seem to be prosody, ejabberd and openfire. I was planning to use ejabberd but the issue I have with any of the XMPP solutions is that they have issues with iOS and you need to find a way to get it to work with the push mechanism otherwise the IM clients will go offline in 10 minutes. Any suggestions for this?

Re: Ask HN: XMPP/Jabber self hosting

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Post by deeviant » Mon, Dec 22, 2014, 8:17 PM UTC

I have worked pretty extensively with XMPP(specially, ejabberd) in a IoT/SCADA context. Setting up your own ejabberd server is fairly painless. Download ProcessOne's ejabberd community edition, and you should be running in an hour. Don't be afraid of erlang as you don't have to get much exposure to it unless want to.

I also had the pleasure working with ProcessOne via the Business edition ejabberd support, as well as commissioning them to build few custom modules that would have taken my C++(embedded team)/C#(back-end team) centric team much more time and money to build ourselves. So ejabberd is a great way to both get your feet wet(open source community version), then scale up in a big way with professional support(commercially licensed business version) should it be needed.

Note: I am not affiliated with ProcessOne in any way. Just had a pleasant experience working with them, and greatly enjoy their product.

Re: Ask HN: XMPP/Jabber self hosting

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Post by deeviant » Mon, Dec 22, 2014, 8:18 PM UTC

__david__ wrote: post #26

smacktoward wrote: post #2

I run ejabberd on my personal domain. It was easy to set up and has run without really needing any active management for a few years now.

That's what I run, too. The only time it died on me is when I updated and they had changed the configuration format to yaml (without an automated conversion). Aside from that annoying hiccup, it's been very smooth sailing. It federates well (though I lost IM access to a lot of friends when Google killed gchat federation). The nice thing about running my own server is that when I talk to other people that have account…

Actually, you are not required to use yaml, there is a flag somewhere you can switch this. We current still run the erlang style config files.

Re: Ask HN: XMPP/Jabber self hosting

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Post by deeviant » Mon, Dec 22, 2014, 8:30 PM UTC

agwa wrote: post #5

I've been using Prosody for ~2 years on a couple servers and I can't recommend it highly enough: it's extremely simple, lightweight, and easy to configure. Its author is even on HN. https://prosody.im/ I don't recommend ejabberd, unless perhaps you need to cluster. It consumes a lot of memory, which is undesirable on a VPS, and once I managed to get an ejabberd server into such a weird state that it required dropping…

Actually, ever since the string handling was moved from erlang strings to binary strings in ejabberd community edition, ejabberd's memory performance is equal or better than other offerings.

Source: Last company I worked for used XMPP as the data channel to and form our data center and IoT/SCADA devices, I oversaw the project of upgrading from a much older version of ejabberd (which used erlang strings) and the much newer community edition ejabberd(which uses binary strings).

You can also write a custom module and use ejabberd solely for it's XMPP wire protocol and excellent routing features, but immediately export incoming data from the server to other processes in your stack without ejabberd ever even parsing the incoming XML(in this case we wrote a rabbitMQ ejabberd module which allowed ejabberd to interact with our data center flawlessly), which is what we did and at that point, a single XMPP server was able to handle our entire traffic. Although we obviously used a cluster and HA load balancer for scalability and redundancy.