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Ask HN: I’m visiting Bay Area and I dislike the “hacker” culture. Please help

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Re: Ask HN: I’m visiting Bay Area and I dislike the “hacker” culture. Please help

#21
I'm an American developer, and I feel exactly the same way.

There is more than one "hacker" tradition in the US. For instance, Caltech near Los Angeles, on the west coast, and MIT, near Boston, on the east coast, have been rivals for a long time. They have different cultures.

As someone native to the Midwest, educated in the Mid-Atlantic, and currently working in the South, it is readily apparent to me that there is no monolithic American culture. I can't stand the Western hippy-dippy nonsense, the Southern obsession with church and football, or any of the idiotic management fads that affect my work culture.

But the San Francisco/Silicon Valley culture has massive amounts of cash pumping through it at the moment, and bits of it are metastasizing elsewhere. As a result, I have seen open-plan offices, complete with ping-pong tables and people wearing shoes with separated toes, in places like Denver and Nashville.

What I really want is to see a company that hires for competence rather than cultural fit, values aptitude over experience, and doesn't try to pretend to be anything more than a place of business--where people go to do work, finish it, and then leave.

I also like the things you like, and I dislike the winters in Wisconsin. It would be very nice if there were a place other than Silicon Valley to enjoy the networking effect, without the cultural trappings that are such a giant turn-off to people elsewhere in the world, and even elsewhere in the US. But if you're looking to get paid, you may just have to suppress your irritation for a while.

Re: Ask HN: I’m visiting Bay Area and I dislike the “hacker” culture. Please help

#22
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Don't worry; people in the Bay Area are annoyed by people who call themselves rockstars and ninjas too. As for what you're reading online, of course some people are like that, but in my experience they are for the most part not the interesting ones anyway. The best people I know don't care for fashions. How are meat, beer, and broad discussions antithetical to your perception of how people in the Bay Area live?

> How are meat, beer, and broad discussions antithetical to your perception of how people in the Bay Area live?

I'm not saying it's antithetical, I was just trying to describe myself.

Re: Ask HN: I’m visiting Bay Area and I dislike the “hacker” culture. Please help

#25
I went through a similar thing in my first few trips to the Bay area, and ultimately decided to not move there for the same reasons.

I've found subsequent trips to be much easier. Unfortunately, the most vocal and easiest to meet within the community were the most abrasive / kool aid driven. Keep digging.

Re: Ask HN: I’m visiting Bay Area and I dislike the “hacker” culture. Please help

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I know exactly where you are coming from: a few years ago I decided I was going to move to either SF or NYC from socal. I interviewed at a bunch of places and spent time socializing in both cities, e.g. going to parties, meeting friends of friends, etc. It was an involved decision that I made carefully. In the end, NYC was a no-brainer for me. I consistently found the bay area has developed an homogenous culture that…

Thank you for the reply! I also prefer NY but as you said, the startup culture is weak compared to SF. We'll see.

> the startup culture is weak compared to SF

I live in New York and I consider this a good thing.

Re: Ask HN: I’m visiting Bay Area and I dislike the “hacker” culture. Please help

#27
Normally you'll only see that behavior if you eavesdrop at a coffee shop, visit some startup's office (not all are like this), end up working in a co-working space, or couch surfing at a hacker hostel of some sort (these are normally whipped together by 4+ people renting a giant house and trying to split rent).

Visit the bay area, enjoy the good food. Find a way to head into any of the surrounding hills for a nice hike. Visit the computer museum. Have some coffee at the Philz on Middlefield Road. Enjoy your time there.

Re: Ask HN: I’m visiting Bay Area and I dislike the “hacker” culture. Please help

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post #19

I know exactly where you are coming from: a few years ago I decided I was going to move to either SF or NYC from socal. I interviewed at a bunch of places and spent time socializing in both cities, e.g. going to parties, meeting friends of friends, etc. It was an involved decision that I made carefully. In the end, NYC was a no-brainer for me. I consistently found the bay area has developed an homogenous culture that…

I felt exactly the same way while working in SF, and have noticed a huge difference in terms of culture and diversity here in NYC. That said, if your goal is to build a startup or company, then ideally you should be in whatever location is best for doing that (within certain boundaries, of course).

If you can afford to live in either city and both are valid options for what you do, definitely consider NYC. The startup scene here is blossoming and like rm999 said, the amount of culture and interesting people you run into on a daily basis is amazing.

Re: Ask HN: I’m visiting Bay Area and I dislike the “hacker” culture. Please help

#30
There surely exist people such as you describe, but I think they're far less prevalent than you might worry. Amongst techies I know in the area, maybe 40% have at least one of the negative (from your perspective) attributes you've listed; I don't think I know anyone personally to whom they all apply, and "the type of person who likes eating meat, drinking beer, talking about politics, money, science, entrepreneurship, programming etc." could describe most of my friends.
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