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>make a worthwhile margin of profit? If Dominos can do it for pizzas, amazon can do it for much bigger ticket items. PLUS they are not incurring the cost of shipping the item to a prime member. Right now for every physical good prime purchase they spend money on shipping. Also see: Amazon is not worried about short term profit [1] They have probably planned to not profit for a while in exchange for increased cashflow…

Dominos can do it for Pizzas because the profit margin on Pizzas is about as close to 100% as you can get, and delivery-person pay is about as low as you can get, combined with subsidy via tips. A $20 pizza will have a higher total gross margin than a $100 anything-retail. Amazon is going to lose money on this, and it will probably only ever be feasible (even as a net loss) in a handful of zip codes in the US.

That's exactly what I was thinking

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> Tipping is just a way for American employers to rip off their most vulnerable workers. Could you please elaborate? I don't see how tipping can be involved in ripping off workers in the United States. Employers are always required to pay their workers minimum wage - the federal minimum wage in the worst case, and sometimes the state minimum wage when it applies and is higher. See: http://www.dol.gov/elaws/faq/esa/fl…

While that may be technically true, I imagine any waiter not able to pull in tips to exceed the minimum wage would soon find themselves out of a job, especially in at-will states. In practice tipping just transfers the cost from the employer to the consumer.

The cost is always going to be covered by the consumer.

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Stereotypes of French waiters aside, service is just fine in Europe. (Speaking as a former resident with very fond memories.) Tipping is just a way for American employers to rip off their most vulnerable workers. Tipping is a truly toxic practice, and it's a burden on customers as well. Why would anyone want to be assigned extra work to evaluate how unhappy they are in order to calculate how much extra they should pa…

> Tipping is just a way for American employers to rip off their most vulnerable workers. Could you please elaborate? I don't see how tipping can be involved in ripping off workers in the United States. Employers are always required to pay their workers minimum wage - the federal minimum wage in the worst case, and sometimes the state minimum wage when it applies and is higher. See: http://www.dol.gov/elaws/faq/esa/fl…

Except that the legislators and employers take tips into account when lobbying for and setting the minimum wage.

We see it as "that waiter was nice, leave a generous tip".

Employers see it as "if they don't do a good enough job they won't make any tips, and the problem will naturally work itself out." This is patently unfair because it treats tips as implied expected income, and wages are set so low that you can't make a livable income without them. This is patently unfair.

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Regarding your first point, changing the tipping medium does not solve the underlying problem. Tipping sucks.

Have you experienced customer service in countries where there is no tipping? It is often entertaining and involves unpredictable "extra work". Perhaps digital reputation systems will provide a stick to replace the carrot of tipping, unless labor laws evolve to impose Fair Reporting on mobile logistics data.

Tipping actually gives an incentive to do way too much and often to pester the customer with unecessary attention. Probably not everyone is fond of getting her glass ostensibly refilled every 5 minutes, which happens with the emphasize on service that a tip intensive system creates.

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While that may be technically true, I imagine any waiter not able to pull in tips to exceed the minimum wage would soon find themselves out of a job, especially in at-will states. In practice tipping just transfers the cost from the employer to the consumer.

The cost is always going to be covered by the consumer.

When the cost is included in the bill, the consumer has less choice. When its an implied "tip", its optional.

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That's the problem is: most Pizzerias don't. Or don't pay a living wage.

"Or don't pay a living wage." Why does every job have to pay a "living wage"? Almost all the pizza delivery folks I knew were doing it part-time for extra cash. Pizza delivery is not a long term career. This notion that every job is a career job is just silly and is detrimental to our youth trying to pick up extra cash and some experience.

Because it's so, so easy to get trapped in a cycle of endless below-livable jobs just to support yourself.

My personal belief, and I'm more than willing to pay more for goods and services to support it, and I live in a country where we have a liveable minimal wage, is that every job if worked 40 hours should be enough for a very modest, but not totally hopeless life. You also then have time off to use to improve yourself via school or some other way.

If you're working back-to-back jobs 80 hours a week that pay nothing you have zero time for yourself, zero time for good planning and zero time to attend any kind of classes.

Being poor and desperate impairs your ability to think, plan and change yourself{1}.

1: http://psych.princeton.edu/~psych/psychology/research/shafir...

Edit: the thread is too long for me to reply to the responses below. What an unfortunate design HN, as the "right of reply" has effectively been stripped from me.

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It's hard for me to see how this doesn't hurt local vendors badly. Of course, it depends on what the the 25,000 items are, but that was one of the key differentiators between Amazon and local stores--if you needed something and you needed it now, the local store was the only option (things like cabling for a new TV, gifts for a party that night, etc). Now, for prime members in NYC at least, Amazon is a viable option.…

I'd dispute both cost and knowledge. If a store is close to your commute route, for example, the delivery costs will probably never be low enough to match with that. I would also dispute on knowledge. In this case, knowledge is a matter of time: you can always google exactly the product you need, but that's going to cost you time. If you're not sure about the exact specifications of what you need, reading reviews isn…

Good catch on entertainment (and people watching). I'm not much for that, but my SO is.

As for knowledge, I think that it is a mixed bag--I've been in stores where the staff outclassed most anything I could find on the internet, and others where, let's just be charitable and say that the staff was lacking.

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#118

Somewhere, Kozmo.com CEO Joseph Park is reminding someone that this is Jeff Bezos's second attempt at one hour delivery, and that he was already doing this for Bezos back in the 20th century.

He's actually at Forever 21, so I assume he's reminding them: https://www.linkedin.com/pub/joseph-park/3/710/a3b

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Have you experienced customer service in countries where there is no tipping? It is often entertaining and involves unpredictable "extra work". Perhaps digital reputation systems will provide a stick to replace the carrot of tipping, unless labor laws evolve to impose Fair Reporting on mobile logistics data.

Yes, I have. Japanese customer service wipes the floor with US customer service, and they'll run down the street to return your "forgotten change" if you attempt to tip in a restaurant.

Agreed, but I think Japanese service culture is an exceptional case ... really haven't experienced anything like it anywhere else.
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