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Handwriting vs. typing: is the pen still mightier than the keyboard?

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Re: Handwriting vs. typing: is the pen still mightier than the keyboard?

#71

I'm constantly bewildered by this notion that writing by hand is slow and thus bad, and that typing is fast and consequently good. In my daily routine work as a programmer I find most of my work consists of thinking rather than writing. Or to twist the words a little: I don't think my typing impairs my creative ability, because the hard part of my job is thinking out the right solution. If you can't hold that thought…

Typing is faster than thinking, but not once you've figured out what you want to type.

My cadence is think;type;think;type. Replacing this by think;t-y-p-e;think;t-y-p-e (when I type with one hand, or on a tablet's virtual keyboard, or leaning over someone's keyboard instead of sitting or standing in front of one) is frustrating and breaks my flow.

Similarly, compiling may be faster than thinking, but a slow compiler breaks my concentration.

Re: Handwriting vs. typing: is the pen still mightier than the keyboard?

#72
Depends on the keyboard?

Screen-input devices like phones and tablets really are lousy keyboards. I get unbelievably better work done with my Note 3 and Shield Tablet then by poking away at a fussy keyboard.

But for sitting at my desk or on my laptop, the keyboard is far superior for most things. So it depends.

Re: Handwriting vs. typing: is the pen still mightier than the keyboard?

#73

I'm constantly bewildered by this notion that writing by hand is slow and thus bad, and that typing is fast and consequently good. In my daily routine work as a programmer I find most of my work consists of thinking rather than writing. Or to twist the words a little: I don't think my typing impairs my creative ability, because the hard part of my job is thinking out the right solution. If you can't hold that thought…

> When debugging ... I find myself jotting down elements of the stack trace on paper Being self-taught, I cannot adequately convey my gratitude for this nugget of reality. Thank you a thousand times.

I have a CS degree and interned at IBM, and it's a novel idea for me as well. I'll have to give it a try.

Re: Handwriting vs. typing: is the pen still mightier than the keyboard?

#74
post #9

Some things I wish: - I could write on paper and have that sent to a document on the computer as if it was typed out. Something like those digital pens do, but actually ocr the text. - To learn Stenography ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wpv-Qb-dB6g )

I have a livescribe 3 which does what you ask -- OCRs the handwriting. It's OK. The pen firmware is fantastic but the live scribe client software is painful. I hear the pen firmware was done by someone else. I carry it with me always. Despite the OCR capability, its main value is that my paper notebook is backed up.

And yes, I find typing effortless (I rarely touch the mouse/touchpad) but still, using a pen to take down notes or for musing is a crucial skill I use every day, and could not substitute the keyboard for.

Re: Handwriting vs. typing: is the pen still mightier than the keyboard?

#75

What a false dichotomy. Nobody's saying we should stop teaching kids to write. We're just not teaching them cursive. If writing by hand helps kids learn to read, they will still receive these benefits as they learn to write in print. Does anyone know of a school that doesn't teach print anymore?

Finland has chosen to not teach handwriting anymore, teaching typing instead. http://thelearnersway.net/ideas/2014/12/12/handwriting-vs-ty...

It is not just cursive versus block letters (which is not very important) but really should handwriting still be taught.

Re: Handwriting vs. typing: is the pen still mightier than the keyboard?

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post #75

What a false dichotomy. Nobody's saying we should stop teaching kids to write. We're just not teaching them cursive. If writing by hand helps kids learn to read, they will still receive these benefits as they learn to write in print. Does anyone know of a school that doesn't teach print anymore?

Finland has chosen to not teach handwriting anymore, teaching typing instead. http://thelearnersway.net/ideas/2014/12/12/handwriting-vs-ty... It is not just cursive versus block letters (which is not very important) but really should handwriting still be taught.

But in the first line:

"Finland recently made the news for its decision to shift away from a focus on handwriting. Beginning in 2016 students will not be required to learn cursive handwriting and instead will be taught typing skills."

So again, this is a school system ditching cursive. Not handwriting.

I disagree that cursive vs block letters is not important. In the past schools have taught both. But as typing replaces writing for long texts, cursive has become obsolete. Yet I still find many uses for block lettering. Let's teach block, and ditch cursive for typing instruction.

Re: Handwriting vs. typing: is the pen still mightier than the keyboard?

#77
I hate it that there's such a large dichotomy between typing and handwriting.

I hand-write stuff all the time. Not because I'm a doddering fossil or because I'm a luddite or anything like that...I find that hand-writing notes from class helps me remember them better, and hand-writing letters and cards gives a much more personal touch.

But then I have all these sheafs of dead trees that I have to deal with. I need to make sure I have my notebook if I think I'm going to take notes. And afterwards, if I think "I took a class...maybe three months ago? Four? How far back in this notebook was that? Is this even in the same notebook?" Nothing is searchable.

I've looked into Evernote, modnotebook, and a few other solutions (including a fancy smartpen-and-paper combo that's supposed to read and digitize my writing), none of which actually work for me. Sometimes it's just that my tiny, illegible scribblings are incomprehensible to OCR software, and sometimes it's that the "solution" involves changing my workflow in a way that makes it not work for me anymore.

Microsoft have tried to solve this problem a few times (Windows for Pen Computing, anybody? OneNote?). Others have taken a stab at it too. I'm not at all close to the right answer myself; I only know that everything I've seen so far has not been it.

I bet this is one of those problems that, if you could solve it in the right way, you would legitimately change the world.

Re: Handwriting vs. typing: is the pen still mightier than the keyboard?

#78
post #43

Related anecdote: Neil Gaiman writes his stories with a fountain pen (well, at least during the period 1994 - 2012): http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-18071830

He still does[1].

[1] https://twitter.com/neilhimself/status/545236792908451840

Re: Handwriting vs. typing: is the pen still mightier than the keyboard?

#79
> “cursive” writing – in which the pen is not raised between each character – has been dropped from the Common Core Curriculum Standards, shared by all states. Since 2013 American children have been required to learn how to use a keyboard and write in print.

I'm sorry. This is so ludicrous. If you can't write legibly unless you're using a computer, how can you be called literate?

And don't come back and say, "it's perfectly fine for them to use print." I attended public school myself, learned to write cursive in the 3rd grade, and never used it again. I thought my natural printing style was good enough, to the point where, to this day, I still sign my name in the jagged, chopped-up, pseudo-cursive printing style that I invented in 4th grade, and only I can read.

Now, I'm a person who loves to listen to classes and take notes with a pen. About 6 months ago, I looked at the piles of jumbled-up notebooks in my closet and was horrified at the chicken scratch on it. I could barely make sense of it. I might as well have not even been taking notes. So I decided to try cursive again. Now, I refuse to print anything unless I have to. Cursive is so much easier, so much faster, so much more legible, so much neater. I simply can't believe I didn't use it for 20 years of my life. People always tell me how good my handwriting is now.

Maybe some people came out of grade school with a neater printing style than I did, but I really, really doubt they can keep that neatness while writing as quickly as they WOULD be if they were using cursive. I would really like to know what the standards people were thinking when they made this decision.

Re: Handwriting vs. typing: is the pen still mightier than the keyboard?

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post #79

> “cursive” writing – in which the pen is not raised between each character – has been dropped from the Common Core Curriculum Standards, shared by all states. Since 2013 American children have been required to learn how to use a keyboard and write in print. I'm sorry. This is so ludicrous. If you can't write legibly unless you're using a computer, how can you be called literate? And don't come back and say, "it's pe…

> And don't come back and say, "it's perfectly fine for them to use print."

I'm going to do exactly that. You having garbage print handwriting and pretty cursive hardly means that everyone is the same way. With the lack of cursive practice that most people get, you're much more likely to find someone with legibile printed handwriting than legible cursive.

> If you can't write legibly unless you're using a computer, how can you be called literate?

How can you even say this, and then go on to say "About 6 months ago, I looked at the piles of jumbled-up notebooks in my closet and was horrified at the chicken scratch on it. I could barely make sense of it. I might as well have not even been taking notes." ?

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