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Handwriting vs. typing: is the pen still mightier than the keyboard?

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Re: Handwriting vs. typing: is the pen still mightier than the keyboard?

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I'm constantly bewildered by this notion that writing by hand is slow and thus bad, and that typing is fast and consequently good. In my daily routine work as a programmer I find most of my work consists of thinking rather than writing. Or to twist the words a little: I don't think my typing impairs my creative ability, because the hard part of my job is thinking out the right solution. If you can't hold that thought…

I think both are valuable and I often scribble things if I'm working on something challenging. That said being able to write or type faster has its place because at the end of the day your program will require typing out in its entirety on a computer and nobody wants to do that by using an on-screen keyboard on their smartphone, even if the hardest part is coming up with the actual solution.

Re: Handwriting vs. typing: is the pen still mightier than the keyboard?

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A quote from the article: "...a paper published in April in the journal Psychological Science... claim that note-taking with a pen, rather than a laptop, gives students a better grasp of the subject." I find it odd that when some praise handwriting as a great mental tool, others obviously consider this as a some sort of ... ailment? I assure you, handwriting is not a symptom of slow typing speed, and it does not need…

The main benefit in writing with pen and paper (to me), is the fact that I can write anywhere, make arrows, comments that doesn't disrupt reading the main part, and draw various very helpful graphics. I think I would have spend significantly more time to understand most of what I learned in CS if I only used a computer to take notes.

Re: Handwriting vs. typing: is the pen still mightier than the keyboard?

#53
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> Operating a keyboard is not the same at all: all you have to do is press the right key. Well, that's quite a biased notion. I could as well just say that operating a pen is just pressing it against the paper, while using a keyboard means a lot more: proper alignment of fingers on the home row, learning which finger should be used for which keys, etc.

True, but proper cursive writing requires much finer motor skills then hitting keys on your a typical keyboard.

Btw a couple of years ago I noticed I couldn't properly write cursive anymore. Quite a terrifying experience really, finding out a skill I pretty much mastered was now fading away. Due to the rise of the keyboard and a job which made me usually only write diagrams and capitals. So I devoted myself to learning it again and after a couple of weeks I was back at the same level I was in engineering school. Now I really don't care if a pen is mightier than a keyboard, or faster, or better in any way (if it even is). It's just that I consider it another skill, just like typing, or just woodworking, whatnot, and trying to master a skill is what some humans instinctively do.

Re: Handwriting vs. typing: is the pen still mightier than the keyboard?

#54

I'm constantly bewildered by this notion that writing by hand is slow and thus bad, and that typing is fast and consequently good. In my daily routine work as a programmer I find most of my work consists of thinking rather than writing. Or to twist the words a little: I don't think my typing impairs my creative ability, because the hard part of my job is thinking out the right solution. If you can't hold that thought…

Your style of work is of course OK, but I'd like to point out that it's not the only one possible.

For example I tend to experiment with code as soon as I think I know what a given task is about. I fire up the REPL, create a new file and start writing. This code is of course never meant to go into production: it's just a way of structuring my thoughts. Often I do this "prototyping" in a different language than the one used for the project: languages provide certain frameworks for solving problems and by using the correct one I can cut down on the amount of code I need to write to express my thoughts (it also makes it impossible to just git add a messy prototype to the project).

I also use pen and paper sometimes, only when the problem I'm facing is larger then a few pages of code. Rather than writing I'm drawing simplified diagrams and only write down the most important bullet points for the design. But even then I tend to write at least some code as soon as possible. I treat code as one of the best tools available to help my brain think.

So for me and people working in a similar way typing speed and a good editor are important. Especially because I write so much of a disposable, throwaway code. I'm not saying it's a better way of working, I just wanted to explain to you that it's not necessarily worse than your style.

Re: Handwriting vs. typing: is the pen still mightier than the keyboard?

#55
One is not replaceable with the other. For typing out pure English text typing could be faster. However for writing equations even with the maddest LaTeX skills you are far behind from handwriting. Also it's quite impossible for me to replace pen and throwaway papers for thinking (I know, poor forests) with anything computer related. Even for consulting with my supervisor a blackboard and handwriting is essential.

Re: Handwriting vs. typing: is the pen still mightier than the keyboard?

#56
Handwriting is only good if you can actually read your own handwriting.

My handwriting is shit. Terrible. Infact it is so bad I almost failed school.

At the age of 5 I was told by various authority figures that I was thick because I couldn't write. I vividly remember being told that some people have dyslexia, and that why they can't write, however I'm just slow, and that I'll have to just try harder.

Fortunately my mother decided that this was bollocks and forced the school to actually try. All through first, middle and high school my handwriting held me back. It is exceeding tedious to have all the correct answers but not be able to express them in a written format, the only format that gets you marks. When I was choosing my GCSEs at the age of 14, I had to weight up my potential career choices for someone who appears illiterate, and had a very high chance of leaving school at 16 with no qualifications. (the standard thing to do in my situation is to only do maths, a single science and English).

Fortunately my school was progressive and decided to try giving me an apple eMate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMate_300). This literally changed my life.

It was the beginning of me realising that perhaps I wasn't a failure, and that I might be able to actually achieve something other than living in the family home.

I have a house, a wife, child and a first class degree. All of which would not have been possible without typing.

So the next time someone says that typing is inferior to hand writing, and that its very simple to write at the speed of thought, have some empathy for the legions of people that cannot write for shit.

Re: Handwriting vs. typing: is the pen still mightier than the keyboard?

#57

Handwriting is only good if you can actually read your own handwriting. My handwriting is shit. Terrible. Infact it is so bad I almost failed school. At the age of 5 I was told by various authority figures that I was thick because I couldn't write. I vividly remember being told that some people have dyslexia, and that why they can't write, however I'm just slow, and that I'll have to just try harder. Fortunately my m…

The common thread I see here is that programming is about thinking. Yes, yes it is. however to be a good programmer you need to communicate your ideas. That means updating tickets.

This means getting my ideas out onto the page as quickly as I can. More importantly, in a form that can be understood effectively by others.

Re: Handwriting vs. typing: is the pen still mightier than the keyboard?

#58
This article is full of bogus arguments about the limitations and rigid nature of word processors. Nobody stops you from using Inkscape, iPython Notebooks, or some other app for your scripts and get creative with your notes.

Certainly handwriting notes helps memorization but so does any other active participation. Personally I found coding little models and simulations about the subject matter far superior to handwriting notes. Maybe latter is not always compatible with the pace of the curriculum but this may only suggest the curriculum is designed for students handwriting along.

Re: Handwriting vs. typing: is the pen still mightier than the keyboard?

#59

Handwriting is only good if you can actually read your own handwriting. My handwriting is shit. Terrible. Infact it is so bad I almost failed school. At the age of 5 I was told by various authority figures that I was thick because I couldn't write. I vividly remember being told that some people have dyslexia, and that why they can't write, however I'm just slow, and that I'll have to just try harder. Fortunately my m…

Handwriting by itself can help learning. It's not necessary to ever read the notes again. The questions is rather are there better alternatives on a computer/typing.

Re: Handwriting vs. typing: is the pen still mightier than the keyboard?

#60
I learned cursive many years ago, and Handwriting was a reliable C- (or maybe D) for me during most of the primary grades. I can write a legible hand now, but find that I use cursive for Christmas cards and notes of condolence. I do take notes with pen and notebook, but generally not in cursive. If a genie showed up offering only one of clearer cursive or better typing, I'd choose the latter.
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