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Microsoft has been making quality assurance mistakes lately

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Re: Microsoft has been making quality assurance mistakes lately

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Unless I'm missing something, this article really seems unreasonably harsh. He cites two bad updates within the past months (one for Windows 7, one for Exchange) that have had to be pulled due to issues, but it seems like well over half the article is devoted to complaints about patches for Windows 10 - an (officially) unreleased product.

As soon as I saw the author's name, I closed the browser. Author is rabidly anti-MS

Re: Microsoft has been making quality assurance mistakes lately

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post #5

The title seems to apply to Apple, too (see iOS and Yosemite WiFi bugs), and could probably be applied to Google, too (Hangouts bugs, Lollipop problems, etc). But mistakes happen and many bugs are less obvious to reproduce than others, so I wouldn't point fingers too hard, personally.

If a car blew up and left you stranded whenever you filled it with gas, or unlocked its doors whenever you left it out in the rain, you'd demand a refund and perhaps compensation.

It's a testament to the usefulness of lawyers that the big players in the software industry don't even pretend they can work at the level of professional and managerial competence offered by almost all other consumer and B2B industries.

Re: Microsoft has been making quality assurance mistakes lately

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Since the HN guidelines ask for linkbait titles to be changed, we changed the somewhat baity title to a representative sentence from the article.

dang, have you considered aggregating these kinds of notifications onto a separate page, or maybe using a specific account for administrator action? It would be helpful for those of us who value transparency (and thank you for your continued transparency - it has been great).

Yes, we consider that and similar ideas from time to time, but I worry about unintended consequences.

Re: Microsoft has been making quality assurance mistakes lately

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post #7

Unless I'm missing something, this article really seems unreasonably harsh. He cites two bad updates within the past months (one for Windows 7, one for Exchange) that have had to be pulled due to issues, but it seems like well over half the article is devoted to complaints about patches for Windows 10 - an (officially) unreleased product.

Yeah, this article is FUD.

The Windows 10 piece is stupid - it's a pre-release OS, these things happen. It's why they haven't released the OS yet, so I'd say their QA process worked. Pre-release OSes don't go through the same level of QA - if you don't like it, you should use a supported OS.

Second, with Exchange updates, there's kind of an unspoken understanding that there is no way MS can test every scenario their users will throw at Exchange. So updates are often released that can cause edge case issues, with the understanding that their large customers will test the updates in a test environment before deploying them. If issues come up, Microsoft can pull the update. These kinds of retractions are not uncommon with server software.

Re: Microsoft has been making quality assurance mistakes lately

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I found it a bit irritating that there were no news about the various Microsoft update issues on HN last week. The article at least mentioned the various problems, that's good.

Some articles that capture the whole timeframe:

http://goo.gl/eOaCX3

http://goo.gl/c8PJ3W

http://goo.gl/PzxJPX

http://goo.gl/ozN3zT

Re: Microsoft has been making quality assurance mistakes lately

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I stopped reading when he suggested MS buy Stardock and "call it a day". This is what passes as news/journalistic content at Computer World? And how in the world did it bubble up onto HN?

I hold out hope that Microsoft has bigger plans for it's operating system than simply pandering to the tech-media's demands for, of all things... the start menu to return.

Re: Microsoft has been making quality assurance mistakes lately

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post #5

The title seems to apply to Apple, too (see iOS and Yosemite WiFi bugs), and could probably be applied to Google, too (Hangouts bugs, Lollipop problems, etc). But mistakes happen and many bugs are less obvious to reproduce than others, so I wouldn't point fingers too hard, personally.

This was my reaction as well.

I've had a lot more serious problems with my Lollipop-updated Nexus 5 than I have with my Windows 8.1 desktop PC over the past month.

Software quality in general is IME pretty bad these days and the problems go way beyond just Microsoft.

Re: Microsoft has been making quality assurance mistakes lately

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post #6

This is exactly what I thought would happen when they gutted their QA staff and reassigned the surviving testers as developers. Your employees act in accordance with their incentives, and the incentives aren't there for QA. Microsoft made it clear that they only value feature development and shipping, and their employees now associate "doing QA" with "being fired en masse". To corrupt a phrase, they've crapped their…

I think QA is still rewarded, but it probably will still not be done as well as it was done before. Eg. I wonder if the problems with KB3004394 for Win7 showed up on the dev machines with the test root installed.

Re: Microsoft has been making quality assurance mistakes lately

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As an aside but related - I bought a Surface Pro 3 and was shocked to discover major issues with its WiFi when you have Hyper-V enabled. Basically WiFi "breaks" whenever you wake the device, and can only be re-enabled through a reboot. (http://winsupersite.com/surface/will-microsoft-ever-fix-surf...)

Re: Microsoft has been making quality assurance mistakes lately

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I've been using Visual Studio since it was called Visual C++. VS 2013 is one of, if not the buggiest versions I have used. The only responses I seem to see are "It'll be fixed with Roslyn, just wait!"

I'm curious as to what has shifted inside Microsoft. Part of me believes I'm seeing the work of new devs as the old devs have left. Another part believes this is the result of agile taking over. I liked my visual studio with waterfall releases. At least it worked without constant hangs, locks, and crashes.

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