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Are Christmas Lights in Series or Parallel?

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Re: Are Christmas Lights in Series or Parallel?

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Probably to save wire, if you hooked em up in parallel you'd need to send a wire to every bulb from the outlet. With 10 bulbs at 1 inch spacing, you're wiring 1 + 2 + 3 + ... + 9 + 10 = 55 inches of wire instead of 10 Follows a roughly N^2 law

Huh? Why not just use two wires and connect one wire to the other with each bulb. Like this: http://www.planetchristmas.com/Images/MinisA.gif I think the real answer is that if you did it this way (in traditional pre-transformer light sets), each bulb would have to be rated for 120v, or whatever your local line voltage is, which would make them both more expensive, and more dangerous.

Interesting: That would suggest that if you let enough bulbs on a strand go out, you reach a cascading-failure threshold at some point, where the voltage across the remaining filaments is higher than their rating. And then I guess the breaker trips.

Re: Are Christmas Lights in Series or Parallel?

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So why aren't the bulbs hooked up in parallel?

Probably to save wire, if you hooked em up in parallel you'd need to send a wire to every bulb from the outlet. With 10 bulbs at 1 inch spacing, you're wiring 1 + 2 + 3 + ... + 9 + 10 = 55 inches of wire instead of 10 Follows a roughly N^2 law

It requires 20 inches of wire in both cases. When connected in parallel, each socket acts as a pass-through to connect the hot and grounded wires to the next socket in the set, in addition to providing power to the bulb. Thus, the sockets are in series but the bulbs are in parallel. This is how electrical wall outlets are wired.

The problem is that a parallel connection requires bulbs that can take 120VAC directly. This is not a problem with C7 and C9 light sets (the small Edison base bulbs). The minis, though, can only take a few volts. Thus, they need to be series-connected to get the voltage drops across the individual bulbs to the level a single bulb can handle.

Re: Are Christmas Lights in Series or Parallel?

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huh? Why not just use two wires and connect one wire to the other with each bulb. Like this: http://www.planetchristmas.com/Images/MinisA.gif I think the real answer is that if you did it this way (in traditional pre-transformer light sets), each bulb would have to be rated for 120v, or whatever your local line voltage is, which would make them both more expensive, and more dangerous.

Interesting: That would suggest that if you let enough bulbs on a strand go out, you reach a cascading-failure threshold at some point, where the voltage across the remaining filaments is higher than their rating. And then I guess the breaker trips.

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Re: Are Christmas Lights in Series or Parallel?

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting: That would suggest that if you let enough bulbs on a strand go out, you reach a cascading-failure threshold at some point, where the voltage across the remaining filaments is higher than their rating. And then I guess the breaker trips.

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The parent comment claimed that's not the case.

Re: Are Christmas Lights in Series or Parallel?

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably to save wire, if you hooked em up in parallel you'd need to send a wire to every bulb from the outlet. With 10 bulbs at 1 inch spacing, you're wiring 1 + 2 + 3 + ... + 9 + 10 = 55 inches of wire instead of 10 Follows a roughly N^2 law

Huh? Why not just use two wires and connect one wire to the other with each bulb. Like this: http://www.planetchristmas.com/Images/MinisA.gif I think the real answer is that if you did it this way (in traditional pre-transformer light sets), each bulb would have to be rated for 120v, or whatever your local line voltage is, which would make them both more expensive, and more dangerous.

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Re: Are Christmas Lights in Series or Parallel?

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably to save wire, if you hooked em up in parallel you'd need to send a wire to every bulb from the outlet. With 10 bulbs at 1 inch spacing, you're wiring 1 + 2 + 3 + ... + 9 + 10 = 55 inches of wire instead of 10 Follows a roughly N^2 law

It requires 20 inches of wire in both cases. When connected in parallel, each socket acts as a pass-through to connect the hot and grounded wires to the next socket in the set, in addition to providing power to the bulb. Thus, the sockets are in series but the bulbs are in parallel. This is how electrical wall outlets are wired. The problem is that a parallel connection requires bulbs that can take 120VAC directly. T…

These days you'd think they could throw a regulator in the wall plug for a few cents to get around the voltage issue.

Re: Are Christmas Lights in Series or Parallel?

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably to save wire, if you hooked em up in parallel you'd need to send a wire to every bulb from the outlet. With 10 bulbs at 1 inch spacing, you're wiring 1 + 2 + 3 + ... + 9 + 10 = 55 inches of wire instead of 10 Follows a roughly N^2 law

It requires 20 inches of wire in both cases. When connected in parallel, each socket acts as a pass-through to connect the hot and grounded wires to the next socket in the set, in addition to providing power to the bulb. Thus, the sockets are in series but the bulbs are in parallel. This is how electrical wall outlets are wired. The problem is that a parallel connection requires bulbs that can take 120VAC directly. T…

Or you could use a transformer.

Re: Are Christmas Lights in Series or Parallel?

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It requires 20 inches of wire in both cases. When connected in parallel, each socket acts as a pass-through to connect the hot and grounded wires to the next socket in the set, in addition to providing power to the bulb. Thus, the sockets are in series but the bulbs are in parallel. This is how electrical wall outlets are wired. The problem is that a parallel connection requires bulbs that can take 120VAC directly. T…

Or you could use a transformer.

Sure, and some sets did. It doubles the cost of a basic light set, though, so they were usually only found in the higher-end sets.

Re: Are Christmas Lights in Series or Parallel?

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huh? Why not just use two wires and connect one wire to the other with each bulb. Like this: http://www.planetchristmas.com/Images/MinisA.gif I think the real answer is that if you did it this way (in traditional pre-transformer light sets), each bulb would have to be rated for 120v, or whatever your local line voltage is, which would make them both more expensive, and more dangerous.

Interesting: That would suggest that if you let enough bulbs on a strand go out, you reach a cascading-failure threshold at some point, where the voltage across the remaining filaments is higher than their rating. And then I guess the breaker trips.

Yes, if you shunted enough of the bulbs in the strand you would get a cascading overvoltage down the line. It wouldn't trip a conventional breaker, though. Those bulbs can't pull enough power, even in over-voltage conditions. Might trip an Arc Fault Circuit Interrupter, though.

Re: Are Christmas Lights in Series or Parallel?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It requires 20 inches of wire in both cases. When connected in parallel, each socket acts as a pass-through to connect the hot and grounded wires to the next socket in the set, in addition to providing power to the bulb. Thus, the sockets are in series but the bulbs are in parallel. This is how electrical wall outlets are wired. The problem is that a parallel connection requires bulbs that can take 120VAC directly. T…

These days you'd think they could throw a regulator in the wall plug for a few cents to get around the voltage issue.

That doesn't work as well when you want to string together multiple strands end to end.
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