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The drug revolution that no one can stop

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Re: The drug revolution that no one can stop

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Post by paulhauggis »

jpatokal wrote: post #29

And these shenanigans, too, would be entirely unnecessary if known drugs were legal and regulated, and people could take controlled risks instead of playing Russian roulette with newly synthesized drugs.

Cigarette companies are still being sued to this day for causing cancer in users. There were public, social, campaigns saying that these companies were evil for knowing the effects of their product..yet still selling them to consumers that knew the risks (I'm taking in the last 20 years or so).

The same thing is starting to happen to the fast-food companies like Mcdonalds. They are starting to take the blame for a person's free choice to consume their unhealthy food.

How can a company (or government) possible allow the legalized consumption of something like Cocaine/heroin/Meth? Will there be tort reform so a company can't be sued for deaths or addiction?

Until we have a little more personal responsibility, I don't think illegal drugs should be legalized. It's even apparent in your comment:

"And these shenanigans, too, would be entirely unnecessary if known drugs were legal and regulated, and people could take controlled risks instead of playing Russian roulette with newly synthesized drugs."

It's your personal choice to play roulette with drugs. They aren't required to live and the ones you are talking about have almost no health benefits (we aren't talking about weed here). Yet, you someone blame the government for forcing a person to make this choice. Complete and utter bullshit.

We see big companies frequently taking part in tax avoidance by going overseas. Should we also blame the US government for having taxes that are too high? It's the same logic you are using.

Re: The drug revolution that no one can stop

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Post by frogpelt »

jpatokal wrote: post #29

And these shenanigans, too, would be entirely unnecessary if known drugs were legal and regulated, and people could take controlled risks instead of playing Russian roulette with newly synthesized drugs.

Its hard for me to wrap my mind around this. Are you a person is willing to risk losing their intellect, health, usefulness to society and even their life but is afraid of the legal repercussions of that decision?

That doesn't make sense to me.

Re: The drug revolution that no one can stop

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Post by MrScruff »

paulhauggis wrote: post #71
jpatokal wrote: post #29

And these shenanigans, too, would be entirely unnecessary if known drugs were legal and regulated, and people could take controlled risks instead of playing Russian roulette with newly synthesized drugs.

Cigarette companies are still being sued to this day for causing cancer in users. There were public, social, campaigns saying that these companies were evil for knowing the effects of their product..yet still selling them to consumers that knew the risks (I'm taking in the last 20 years or so). The same thing is starting to happen to the fast-food companies like Mcdonalds. They are starting to take the blame for a pe…

It's your personal choice to play roulette with drugs. They aren't required to live and the ones you are talking about have almost no health benefits (we aren't talking about weed here). Yet, you someone blame the government for forcing a person to make this choice. Complete and utter bullshit.

The government is the organisation that chooses to regulate the behaviour of it's citizens. Why should the citizen need to make a case for need? Shouldn't it be the other way round?

Re: The drug revolution that no one can stop

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Post by [deleted] »

vinceguidry wrote: post #32
jrapdx3 wrote: post #28

This article fits in with another thread here earlier today where I commented about using any drug entails some finite risk of bad effects. The apparently common belief that "designer drugs" shouldn't be "illegal" is certainly not supported by the article. I'm not sure what makes it so hard for some people to grasp the intrinsic dangers of ingesting "designer" drugs. Our physiology is complex and quirky, rendering al…

I'd much rather take an illegal drug than a legal, 'under the radar' one. The personal risks of possibly getting thrown in jail are vastly dwarfed by the risks of ingesting an untested and completely unknown substance. The sad thing is that even the illegal ones often involve a terrible externalized human cost. Illegal drugs are consumed at scale, exploiting the producers and transporters, legal ones are consumed ind…

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Re: The drug revolution that no one can stop

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Post by ceejayoz »

paulhauggis wrote: post #71
jpatokal wrote: post #29

And these shenanigans, too, would be entirely unnecessary if known drugs were legal and regulated, and people could take controlled risks instead of playing Russian roulette with newly synthesized drugs.

Cigarette companies are still being sued to this day for causing cancer in users. There were public, social, campaigns saying that these companies were evil for knowing the effects of their product..yet still selling them to consumers that knew the risks (I'm taking in the last 20 years or so). The same thing is starting to happen to the fast-food companies like Mcdonalds. They are starting to take the blame for a pe…

> Cigarette companies are still being sued to this day for causing cancer in users.

All the big cases I'm aware of are the ones stemming from their decades-long lies that smoking was not a health risk.

Re: The drug revolution that no one can stop

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Post by ekianjo »

paulhauggis wrote: post #71
jpatokal wrote: post #29

And these shenanigans, too, would be entirely unnecessary if known drugs were legal and regulated, and people could take controlled risks instead of playing Russian roulette with newly synthesized drugs.

Cigarette companies are still being sued to this day for causing cancer in users. There were public, social, campaigns saying that these companies were evil for knowing the effects of their product..yet still selling them to consumers that knew the risks (I'm taking in the last 20 years or so). The same thing is starting to happen to the fast-food companies like Mcdonalds. They are starting to take the blame for a pe…

> It's your personal choice to play roulette with drugs. They aren't required to live and the ones you are talking about have almost no health benefits (we aren't talking about weed here). Yet, you someone blame the government for forcing a person to make this choice. Complete and utter bullshit.

No matter if you forbid it or not people will want to take drugs. The government can either forbid it and cause the raging war on drugs that claims lives, leads to the development of underground mafia organizations, or choose to regulate it and make profit from it while keeping the prices reasonable and under tight control in terms of quality and supply.

Your tax money going to the war on drugs has been proven to be completely useless so far, so I can see the benefit of the other point of view.

Re: The drug revolution that no one can stop

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Post by arjie »

paulhauggis wrote: post #71
jpatokal wrote: post #29

And these shenanigans, too, would be entirely unnecessary if known drugs were legal and regulated, and people could take controlled risks instead of playing Russian roulette with newly synthesized drugs.

Cigarette companies are still being sued to this day for causing cancer in users. There were public, social, campaigns saying that these companies were evil for knowing the effects of their product..yet still selling them to consumers that knew the risks (I'm taking in the last 20 years or so). The same thing is starting to happen to the fast-food companies like Mcdonalds. They are starting to take the blame for a pe…

I believe cigarette companies were charged with misrepresenting their products. Presumably the person you're responding to would accept the cigarette solution: warning labels and sale to non minors only, and hefty fines for misleading advertising if performed.
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