Spanish News Publishers’ Association Asks Gov to Help Stop Google News Closure

Post by rjayatilleka » Sun, Dec 14, 2014, 9:00 PM UTC

mrtree wrote: post #9

rjayatilleka wrote: post #2

Jeez. So do they have any proposed solution beyond "government intervention"? It's a fact that Google isn't going to pay to host Spanish news, nor can the government force them to do that. So either they need to 1. amend the law saying that Google is an exception, OR 2. amend the law to make payment for news snippets no longer an "inalienable right", OR 3. repeal the law. Which in the end brings back the exact situat…

I think you missed the point of the news: First AEDE, the Spanish News Publishers’ Association lobbied for the law that created fees for web linking (pretty insane and ultimately unfeasible). After the law was passed, Google said they would then close Google News Spain since they make no money with it. Now AEDE seems to have changed its mind and is actually asking the opposite, for the government to prevent Google Ne…

Post by woah » Sun, Dec 14, 2014, 9:14 PM UTC

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joelrunyon wrote: post #14

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Curious about this. I agree, Google gives more exposure, but Google does make money off of them. I'm not as worried about this in news snippets (as it gives people something to read to decide to click which benefits the news content creators), but what about in situations where that's not the case? There's a lot of searches that straight up scrape wikipedia and show the first paragraph as the result from google - the…

If you feel that Google, or any other search engine, is ripping you off, you can use robots.txt to deny them access. They voluntarily agreed to follow rules laid there. You don't need to bother with a copyright argument. If you represent a whole industry, like AEDE here, you can even roll out your own news aggregator. Since member outlets can shut Google out, it would be relatively easy to make this new site a popula…

Post by saalweachter » Sun, Dec 14, 2014, 10:10 PM UTC

raverbashing wrote: post #6

rjayatilleka wrote: post #5

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Yup, exactly. The only reason it didn't happen in Spain right away is the "inalienable right" clause, so that publisher's couldn't sign away the right to be paid. If that goes away, it'll be the same situation as Germany.

Good, it's even better Now those imbeciles realize they shot themselves in the foot? If they want Google to stay they should pay them. It's that simple

Post by Zardoz84 » Sun, Dec 14, 2014, 10:56 PM UTC

rjayatilleka wrote: post #2

Jeez. So do they have any proposed solution beyond "government intervention"? It's a fact that Google isn't going to pay to host Spanish news, nor can the government force them to do that. So either they need to 1. amend the law saying that Google is an exception, OR 2. amend the law to make payment for news snippets no longer an "inalienable right", OR 3. repeal the law. Which in the end brings back the exact situat…

Post by judk » Mon, Dec 15, 2014, 2:16 AM UTC

PhantomGremlin wrote: post #28

zanny wrote: post #22

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Except as Google is demonstrating by just outright closing Google News Spain, they don't have to put up with that bullshit. They are so big in so many countries dropping one won't do anything for their bottom line (especially when Google News itself makes them no money directly) and the news lobby in Spain gets to rip itself a new one destroying itself out of greed.

> they don't have to put up with that bullshit Exactly. For Google's long term credibility and success, they must close Google News Spain (at least temporarily). Spain is both small enough and large enough to serve as a convenient demonstration of Google's power. Going forward, fear will keep the local publishers in line. Fear of the wrath of Google.