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Spanish News Publishers’ Association Asks Gov to Help Stop Google News Closure

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Re: Spanish News Publishers’ Association Asks Gov to Help Stop Google News Closure

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Post by mrottenkolber »

mtmail wrote: post #3
rjayatilleka wrote: post #2

Jeez. So do they have any proposed solution beyond "government intervention"? It's a fact that Google isn't going to pay to host Spanish news, nor can the government force them to do that. So either they need to 1. amend the law saying that Google is an exception, OR 2. amend the law to make payment for news snippets no longer an "inalienable right", OR 3. repeal the law. Which in the end brings back the exact situat…

In Germany all major publisher, including those that fought to get a similar law, signed contracts with Google allowing them to index without pay. All small aggregators and search engines still have to pay so the end result is that Google News Germany is more powerful than before. I expect something similar in Spain.

What do you do if the news organizations seem to have less integrity left than Google. It's a shameful display of German "journalism". Everyone in that lobby should just quit. Go to Pluto, go suck somewhere else at your "job".

I am angry and ashamed at the newspapers of my country.

Re: Spanish News Publishers’ Association Asks Gov to Help Stop Google News Closure

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Post by joelrunyon »

rjayatilleka wrote: post #2

Jeez. So do they have any proposed solution beyond "government intervention"? It's a fact that Google isn't going to pay to host Spanish news, nor can the government force them to do that. So either they need to 1. amend the law saying that Google is an exception, OR 2. amend the law to make payment for news snippets no longer an "inalienable right", OR 3. repeal the law. Which in the end brings back the exact situat…

Curious about this. I agree, Google gives more exposure, but Google does make money off of them.

I'm not as worried about this in news snippets (as it gives people something to read to decide to click which benefits the news content creators), but what about in situations where that's not the case?

There's a lot of searches that straight up scrape wikipedia and show the first paragraph as the result from google - thereby disincentivizing people to click on that result (and hurting the content creator).

Google's been creeping into the 'content" space over the past few years, both serving as a portal & serving up direct answers. I'm curious to if it will come back to haunt them in the future (or what content creators can do in response to this).

Re: Spanish News Publishers’ Association Asks Gov to Help Stop Google News Closure

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Post by mtmail »

mcintyre1994 wrote: post #10
mtmail wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Germany all major publisher, including those that fought to get a similar law, signed contracts with Google allowing them to index without pay. All small aggregators and search engines still have to pay so the end result is that Google News Germany is more powerful than before. I expect something similar in Spain.

Do we have any insight into why they made an exception for Google? The obvious starting point is Google threatening to stop search indexing sites they can't use in Google news - there might even be technical justification for that. But presumably the publishers would attack that as abusing a monopoly position, it seems pretty much textbook definition. They must have known signing with Google while that law existed wo…

Shareholders. The traffic to their websites dropped so massively they would have killed their own business. Took less than a month. So the same guy (CEO I think) who bashed against Google at any occasion had to get it settled or risk his own job.

Re: Spanish News Publishers’ Association Asks Gov to Help Stop Google News Closure

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Post by Xylakant »

mcintyre1994 wrote: post #10
mtmail wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Germany all major publisher, including those that fought to get a similar law, signed contracts with Google allowing them to index without pay. All small aggregators and search engines still have to pay so the end result is that Google News Germany is more powerful than before. I expect something similar in Spain.

Do we have any insight into why they made an exception for Google? The obvious starting point is Google threatening to stop search indexing sites they can't use in Google news - there might even be technical justification for that. But presumably the publishers would attack that as abusing a monopoly position, it seems pretty much textbook definition. They must have known signing with Google while that law existed wo…

Google News drives sufficient traffic to make it worth it. Springer tried to not give google the license and some numbers were mentioned in that context, but I'm to lazy to ddg them. The losses were substantial.

Re: Spanish News Publishers’ Association Asks Gov to Help Stop Google News Closure

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Post by jackhammer »

rjayatilleka wrote: post #2

Jeez. So do they have any proposed solution beyond "government intervention"? It's a fact that Google isn't going to pay to host Spanish news, nor can the government force them to do that. So either they need to 1. amend the law saying that Google is an exception, OR 2. amend the law to make payment for news snippets no longer an "inalienable right", OR 3. repeal the law. Which in the end brings back the exact situat…

Maybe they could circumvent the law by signing a contact where google pays the news organisations, but they in term pay google back for the "exposure". That way both parties would comply with the law and they would still maintain the status quo.

Re: Spanish News Publishers’ Association Asks Gov to Help Stop Google News Closure

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Post by blfr »

joelrunyon wrote: post #14
rjayatilleka wrote: post #2

Jeez. So do they have any proposed solution beyond "government intervention"? It's a fact that Google isn't going to pay to host Spanish news, nor can the government force them to do that. So either they need to 1. amend the law saying that Google is an exception, OR 2. amend the law to make payment for news snippets no longer an "inalienable right", OR 3. repeal the law. Which in the end brings back the exact situat…

Curious about this. I agree, Google gives more exposure, but Google does make money off of them. I'm not as worried about this in news snippets (as it gives people something to read to decide to click which benefits the news content creators), but what about in situations where that's not the case? There's a lot of searches that straight up scrape wikipedia and show the first paragraph as the result from google - the…

If you feel that Google, or any other search engine, is ripping you off, you can use robots.txt to deny them access. They voluntarily agreed to follow rules laid there. You don't need to bother with a copyright argument.

If you represent a whole industry, like AEDE here, you can even roll out your own news aggregator. Since member outlets can shut Google out, it would be relatively easy to make this new site a popular, maybe even default, destination for news consumers. Then share profits however you believe is fair.

Re: Spanish News Publishers’ Association Asks Gov to Help Stop Google News Closure

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Post by mcintyre1994 »

mtmail wrote: post #15
mcintyre1994 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do we have any insight into why they made an exception for Google? The obvious starting point is Google threatening to stop search indexing sites they can't use in Google news - there might even be technical justification for that. But presumably the publishers would attack that as abusing a monopoly position, it seems pretty much textbook definition. They must have known signing with Google while that law existed wo…

Shareholders. The traffic to their websites dropped so massively they would have killed their own business. Took less than a month. So the same guy (CEO I think) who bashed against Google at any occasion had to get it settled or risk his own job.

Fair enough! You'd think they might check how much traffic Google news was sending them before ranting and lobbying for that law.

Re: Spanish News Publishers’ Association Asks Gov to Help Stop Google News Closure

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Post by [deleted] »

mtmail wrote: post #15
mcintyre1994 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do we have any insight into why they made an exception for Google? The obvious starting point is Google threatening to stop search indexing sites they can't use in Google news - there might even be technical justification for that. But presumably the publishers would attack that as abusing a monopoly position, it seems pretty much textbook definition. They must have known signing with Google while that law existed wo…

Shareholders. The traffic to their websites dropped so massively they would have killed their own business. Took less than a month. So the same guy (CEO I think) who bashed against Google at any occasion had to get it settled or risk his own job.

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