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> [...] and then grabbed Brown and pulled him through the window. How do you do that with a "teen" of that size?
He probably meant grabbed him by the arm or neck through the window. Dorian Johnson stated he grabbed his neck through the window. He obviously didnt mean "pulled his whole body through the window".
I hope what I have to say is not as controversial as I fear, but I don't think that individual racist beliefs are as big a problem as we have been told. To look at somebody and consciously judge them to be inferior based on their skin color is so outdated and obsolete, that those who do so are fringe members of society who are typically elderly and either changing their mindset or dying out. We elected a black presid…
The difference between this and a "witch hunt" is that real witch hunts didn't find a bunch of witches.
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> Now you seem to be claiming that the disparity in crime rates is caused by some complex combination of things. Not just me. Sociologists also. > Can you clearly state what that combination is * Emphasis on extreme individualism (everyone for himself, or at best, his family) that destroys community bonds (that in other places serve to provide assistance to the individual, guidance etc). * Extremely materialistic soc…
India has the same general conditions as described above, and to a far greater extent than the US or France. Rather than individualism it's "every family for itself", but apart from that your description fits India better than the US. Crime, apart from sex crime, is far lower. On many occasions I've walked around at night and been in no danger. I'm not even sure if black Americans satisfy your criteria, actually. The…
And, yes, we in Scandinavia have plenty of crime committed by our ever so wonderful freshly imported Muslims -- and it is NOT because they live in poverty.
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Moron4hire stated a very clear theory: the disparity in crime rates is caused by income/poverty. That particular theory is wrong. Now you seem to be claiming that the disparity in crime rates is caused by some complex combination of things. Can you clearly state what that combination is and what evidence would prove your views wrong? Or are your views not even wrong?
> Now you seem to be claiming that the disparity in crime rates is caused by some complex combination of things. Not just me. Sociologists also. > Can you clearly state what that combination is * Emphasis on extreme individualism (everyone for himself, or at best, his family) that destroys community bonds (that in other places serve to provide assistance to the individual, guidance etc). * Extremely materialistic soc…
Have you ever encountered a sociologist who understood statistics?
Have you ever encountered a sociologist who understood that at least part of the reason why SES is inheritable is because intelligence is?
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> To choose one category of crime, blacks make up about half of of murderers. They may make up half of all people convicted of murder, but then its been widely observed across many different categories of crime that, on similar fact patterns, blacks are more likely to be charged with a crime and are likely to be charged with a more serious crime than whites.
Check out the National Crime Victimization Survey which corroborates the conviction stats.
[0] "In the last six months, have you been murdered?" is not a particularly viable question.
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Check out the National Crime Victimization Survey which corroborates the conviction stats.
The NCVS, for obvious reasons [0], doesn't even track homicide (nor, from looking through the questionnaires it uses, does it appear to gather information on perpetrator race), much less corrobate the conviction stats presented for murder (and, in any case, as victims of crime often rely on law enforcement to identify the perpetrator, wouldn't really be an independent check, even for those kinds of crime it does addr…
I suppose this data doesn't rule out the possibility that the UCR is not very biased for robbery/rape/assault, but is biased for murder.
If you are interested in this topic, Scott Alexander has a recent blog post on it that's well worth reading: http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/11/25/race-and-justice-much-m...
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He probably meant grabbed him by the arm or neck through the window. Dorian Johnson stated he grabbed his neck through the window. He obviously didnt mean "pulled his whole body through the window".
It still sounds very unlikely. Michael Brown was huge and you are not exactly well positioned for pulling people when you are sitting in a car.
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But what if Brown wasn't attacking the officer but defending himself? Dorian Johnson's story is that Wilson almost ran them over, slammed his door into them, and then grabbed Brown and pulled him through the window. IF Michael Brown is struggling to get free after being unnecessarily assaulted by Wilson and then sees Wilson draw his gun then of course he is going to strike the officer trying to flee. And this is why…
A lot of your post is you just saying things you think with no evidence, what your "gut" tells you, etc. Not going to respond to those, because they are not very interesting. Let me share one of my personal opinions with no basis in fact: cake is superior to pie, there I said it! > But what if Brown wasn't attacking the officer but defending himself? We actually got into a bit of a debate at dinner discussing if you…
As to your last line. I realize that legally you are correct, but I just can accept that you have to be compliant because of a badge...especially when we live in a society that has a horrible track record of justice when people with brown complexion are involved. Action after the fact, especially with the rate of discipline and conviction of police officers, is just not a very realistic option.
And pie definitely beats cake! ;)
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But what if Brown wasn't attacking the officer but defending himself? Dorian Johnson's story is that Wilson almost ran them over, slammed his door into them, and then grabbed Brown and pulled him through the window. IF Michael Brown is struggling to get free after being unnecessarily assaulted by Wilson and then sees Wilson draw his gun then of course he is going to strike the officer trying to flee. And this is why…
> [...] and then grabbed Brown and pulled him through the window. How do you do that with a "teen" of that size?
I didn't mean he pulled his whole body in through the window. That would be very difficult to do!
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He probably meant grabbed him by the arm or neck through the window. Dorian Johnson stated he grabbed his neck through the window. He obviously didnt mean "pulled his whole body through the window".
It still sounds very unlikely. Michael Brown was huge and you are not exactly well positioned for pulling people when you are sitting in a car.