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CIA agents who tortured are vulnerable to prosecution in any country

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Re: CIA agents who tortured are vulnerable to prosecution in any country

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Post by icantthinkofone »

beloch wrote: post #6

It would actually be in the U.S.'s own interests to prosecute these CIA agents and their superiors. First, this would show support for international laws against torture and help put the lid back on Pandora's box. This would directly reduce the probability of captured U.S. citizens being tortured. No, that probably does not include those captured by ISIL, but are rogue terrorist organizations all U.S. citizens will n…

Yeah. They would never do torture and the like in other countries ... would they?

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Post by pvaldes »

And meanwhile in tortureland...

"no country wants the guantanamo people incarcered in Guantanamo, so we need to keep him incarcerted because we are really very afraid of them"

What?. No country wants the leftovers? They are not animals, are humans without rights.

USA, YOU create this shame, it is your duty to solve it.

So you want options? ok, here goes one option...

what if you'll release him and give them the USA citizenship and formal apopogies as retaliation?, A very small one for all they have suffered, seems to me.

Free this people, return them their dignitiy, a job and a life, and them disintegrate the guantanamo buildings to the roots, You can start the demolition just tomorrow if you wish.

> But they could be terrorists!

A lot of CIA agents ARE terrorists, and they are free. Nobody seems worried in USA by the idea of have one of this sadistic people in his neighborhood

This is not a shame to USA, is a shame and a pain for all the human race, and WE are the human race.

Re: CIA agents who tortured are vulnerable to prosecution in any country

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Post by icantthinkofone »

pvaldes wrote: post #82

And meanwhile in tortureland... "no country wants the guantanamo people incarcered in Guantanamo, so we need to keep him incarcerted because we are really very afraid of them" What?. No country wants the leftovers? They are not animals, are humans without rights. USA, YOU create this shame, it is your duty to solve it. So you want options? ok, here goes one option... what if you'll release him and give them the USA c…

These are people who are charged with wanting to kill people and otherwise destroy the USA. There is no shame in locking people up who want to do that, though you can disagree with the charges all you want.

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Post by tonyarkles »

rakoo wrote: post #53
caf wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think you can sensibly infer anything of the sort from television ratings. As I recall, The Sopranos, Breaking Bad and Dexter all rated pretty well too.

Jack Bauer is supposed to be the good guy; good guys aren't supposed to use torture, yet he does. I don't know about other shows, did "good guys" use torture ? Were they able to walk away without any problems ?

Since we're talking about fiction... In Burn Notice, they routinely stop people from using torture to try to get actionable intel, because "people will say whatever they think you want to hear, just to make it stop"

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Post by forgotpasswd3x »

gomerclaus wrote: post #39
eli_gottlieb wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>America doesn't need a revolution, it just needs more informed and motivated voters who vote in their self-interest. No, one of two things is needed: either a revolution, or a mass migration of voters to places where their votes actually count. Both gerrymandering and the tendency of American seat allocation to favor rural districts have strongly reduced the effect of voting on the formation of actual governments.

I've been screaming the "Let's migrate!" mantra for years. If we want rational politics in this country, we have to stack the polls with rational votes. As it stands, our voice is largely--in some instances, mostly--drowned out by single party voters. A pragmatic solution would be for the people who recognize the problem to migrate to the same city or county and work our way up the political ladder. I'm down; where a…

Come to Detroit!

Re: CIA agents who tortured are vulnerable to prosecution in any country

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Post by pvaldes »

icantthinkofone wrote: post #84
pvaldes wrote: post #82

And meanwhile in tortureland... "no country wants the guantanamo people incarcered in Guantanamo, so we need to keep him incarcerted because we are really very afraid of them" What?. No country wants the leftovers? They are not animals, are humans without rights. USA, YOU create this shame, it is your duty to solve it. So you want options? ok, here goes one option... what if you'll release him and give them the USA c…

These are people who are charged with wanting to kill people and otherwise destroy the USA. There is no shame in locking people up who want to do that, though you can disagree with the charges all you want.

Wake-up. Where are his lawyers? where is the invisible jury?

If a real judge finds that some of they are guilty they should just be put in a real Jail. Just like any other american citizen. Can't see any real problem with this. Guantanamo IS still helping to destroy the USA, in fact, and should have been destroyed many years ago.

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Post by a3n »

e12e wrote: post #63
rhino369 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The real reason is that they were carrying out the official policy of the US government. Just calling it CIA torture is minimizing how far up this went. Bush ordered it. DOD knew. DOJ not only knew, it crafted the governments tortured definition of torture. Congress knew. This isn't some off the books CIA wet team opp. It was planned and signed off at the highest levels. John Yoo, who wrote the torture memos, is a pr…

> "Just following orders" didn't work at Nuremberg because we were trying the people who gave the orders too. The only reason the Nuremberg trails happened at all, was that Germany lost. No-one was indited over fire-bombing Dresden, or nuking Hiroshima. People didn't go to prison over atrocities committed in Vietnam. While there should be prosecution over this, it seems unlikely to happen in the current US system. I'…

> People didn't go to prison over atrocities committed in Vietnam.

Well, one guy was grounded. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Calley

"William Laws Calley, Jr. (born June 8, 1943) is a former United States Army officer found guilty of murdering 22 unarmed South Vietnamese civilians in the My Lai Massacre on March 16, 1968, during the Vietnam War. After several reductions, Calley’s original sentence of life in prison was turned into an order of house arrest, but after three years, President Nixon reduced his sentence with a presidential pardon."

I guess that'll be as good as it gets.

Re: CIA agents who tortured are vulnerable to prosecution in any country

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Post by a3n »

briandear wrote: post #74
rakoo wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody's clean, everybody got that. Can we move on, and aim for the best solution ?

Well, citing an Italian court as some sort of example is hilarious in my view.

It's good when people do good. Even if they've done bad in the past, good is still good. And Italy's prosecution of crimes committed on their own soil was both responsible and good.
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