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Re: Ask HN: I've tried lots of things but haven't finished any.

#41
I'll reiterate a lot of what the other people are saying: you're depending too much on other people. You're also looking at certain things that "failed" and saying, "I failed" instead of looking at them and saying "They didn't take off, but I learned this, this, and this."

I'll take your webapp you built for a student club as an example. What made the other person's better? What did you learn, if anything, from building that webapp? If you had another opportunity like that, what would you do differently?

You seem like a smart and motivated kid; I'm sure you can figure out what went wrong in each instance (excepting maybe the Harvard, MIT, Stanford, and internship positions). I'm sure you can even find problems with the internships. First, you're too young. I'm guessing you're a Freshman or a Sophomore, depending on whether or not you graduated early from high school. Most companies don't look at you until you're a junior or senior. Plus, it's a recession, so companies are more likely to cut internship budgets. That being said, you may have set your sights too high on gaining an internship. If you applied to say, Google, or another company renowned for its extremely high standards, you shouldn't be disappointed if you didn't get accepted. If you want to do web development, look for a local web development shop that might be willing to hire you. You might get lucky and not even have to work as an "intern"; you may very well get hired outright. I've already managed to do that twice, and where I am is hardly considered a tech center, but there's a decent amount of CS students at my Univ. that would kill for my job.

Back to the relying on people bit. If you want to build a webapp, build a webapp. It really isn't that difficult to do on your own. Hosting is cheap, and even if you don't ever make it into a real business, you'll likely learn a lot along the way. If you want to start a business, start a business. If other people believe in you and want to join, have it in writing who owns what if things head south. If you didn't have that in your last foray into business, take it as a lesson and move on.

If you really just want to cut your teeth on real world project, find an open source project you believe in and support it. If you think there's a niche that needs to be filled, fill it. The GData Ruby library, for instance, is drastically lacking (the Google Calendar is supported, kind of, but that was it, last I checked). Writing a gem for that has been on my todo list for a while. I'm sure you can think of a few things like that, and it might actually help you land an internship at Google or wherever if you write an open source plugin for one of their products. You can even write that GData library if you really want. I'll let you have it. :)

Edit: My email address is in my profile. If you want someone to work on a few things, let me know.

Re: Ask HN: I've tried lots of things but haven't finished any.

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Dude, you're 18. The more important question is, are you carrying out meaningful social experiences with people your age? Are you making really great friends who have nothing to do with your career? Are you engaging in dramatic, possibly-hopeless romantic endeavors with cute 18 year old girls (or boys!) that you'll enjoy thinking about when you're 60? You can't buy back your youth, kiddo.

I don't get why, but it seems that few people here are interested in any of the same things I am. It's not like my interests are narrow; indeed, people criticize me for being too much of a dabbler (I am interested in math, physics, chemistry, biology, economics, politics, history, computers, and a whole bunch of other stuff). People just tend to talk about sports and dating and parties and clubs and stuff. Why do so…

When socializing, it might help to focus on activities you're interested in, rather than just intellectual interests - Many of those tend to be solitary pursuits.

As a personal example: I'm also very interested in cycling and cooking. They're a lot more approachable for most people, but (under the right circumstances) have plenty of points that segue well into talking about history, physics, etc.

Re: Ask HN: I've tried lots of things but haven't finished any.

#43
So, why not try something simple for a change. And then finish that, make sure it involves you, only you and does not require a bunch of money.

Then when you've done that try again, but this time with something a bit more ambitious. Find your 'comfort level' and slowly keep expanding that.

If you keep at it this hard surely one day you'll succeed.

best of luck!

Re: Ask HN: I've tried lots of things but haven't finished any.

#44
Yes, it seems to me you are doing two things wrong. First, you are not considering carefully enough everything an endeavor will require for success - and if you can and will provide what is required. That leads to the second, which is you jump in fairly hastily, then fail to deliver what is required for success, if success is even possible at the time. Note: I've been guilty of all this myself, and have worked to improve.

Re: Ask HN: I've tried lots of things but haven't finished any.

#46
> Why do so many people talk about youth as some sort of idyllic time in one's life?

Because youth is wasted on the young.

It's a good thing that you've tried all that, even those left unfinished. The next step is to apply the Pareto principle, and stop doing a bunch of things. Do the easiest thing with the most benefit. Do what makes you happy. Do more things outside the academic and business areas. Dabbling isn't a bad thing. Here are some suggestions I find worthwhile, in no particular order:

1. Sex.

2. Meet people, help people, make friends, make allies.

3. Travel.

4. Improve your body. A healthy mind needs a healthy body.

5. Teach yourself how to cook.

6. Read books. (don't be afraid of not finishing them)

7. Learn more about the rules that govern you. Quite boring but so very useful.

8. Become a minimalist. Sell your things and stop buying things you don't need. Simplifying is good.

9. Study and practice meditation.

10. Learn how to grow, collect or hunt food.

11. Explore altered states. Some do it with wine, some do it with poetry. Exercise, alcohol, herbs, plants, fungi, pharmaceuticals, music or plenty of other activities, they can all do the trick.

12. Conquer fears.

13. Swim in the ocean.

14. Lie on the beach.

15. Don't worry be happy.

Re: Ask HN: I've tried lots of things but haven't finished any.

#48
At least you had the drive, In my case I never knew what I truly wanted until a year ago. I kind of slacked all the way through college, thinking I was just going to be another cog in the wheel when I graduate. I felt that I wasted too much time.

That said. I agree with having focus. Narrow down your area of focus to a couple of things and drive the nail all the way. As in my case, I'm focusing on learning graphics programming and image processing, and considering my current skill set and timetable, it would take at least 3-5 years to acquire reasonable expertise on this. Along the way, I will try to learn how to create and run a startup. This is my current plan for the future, just to give an example.

As for webapps, you don't have to work on something that others might use or be happy with, rather, work on something that you, yourself can be proud of, even though nobody knows what the heck it does.

Re: Ask HN: I've tried lots of things but haven't finished any.

#49
I see that people have already told you that it's fine, you're 18, everybody is a dabbler at 18, and those who aren't will have a midlife crisis where they wake up one day and wish they were you.

This is all true, as far as it goes, but I needn't say it again. Let's try some coaching instead. Vince Lombardi mode, engage!

Stop trying to look smart. Being smart is wonderful as a source of personal pleasure, and is also really useful, but looking smart is an empty experience. Too easily faked. Any idiot can look smart. Many idiots specialize in it. Bernie Madoff looked smart.

A sure sign that you're trying too hard to look smart is that you are "applying for finance internships" and "modeling the stock market". These are understandable mistakes -- the media works hard to convince you that these are respectable goals, much as they work hard to convince you that blackjack and poker are sexy games that you should play all the time -- but to a scientist this stuff is the badge of the lightweight. It has the intellectual content of a whiffle ball, and the only reason to do it is to collect money, generally from the gullible or the corrupt. (See "Bernie Madoff", above.) Real businesspeople don't "apply for finance internships"; they sell things or make things. And real investors (as opposed to gamblers and shills) don't waste time modeling the market, because they've all read Malkiel.

You are in college. Do you... study anything? Your resume is seriously scary. Where do you find all this time? Your academic work must be way too easy. You are in college right now. You are surrounded by the infrastructure for learning stuff. There will never be a better time for that. Do not waste this time collecting C.V. entries like so many stamps; that is for later. I call upon the spirit of the geek's Vince Lombardi: Yoda.

All his life has he looked away... to the future, to the horizon. Never his mind on Where. He. Was. Hmm? What. He. Was doing.

You claim to be interested in physics; do you understand Maxwell's equations, stat mech, quantum decoherence, general relativity? You claim an interest in math; have you run out of math courses? Chemistry: Do you understand the band structure of solids? Biology: Do you know what siRNA is, can you do graduate-level molecular biology lab work? Computers: Have you finished SICP, learned operating systems and algorithms? Have you even considered linguistics, or geology, or anthropology? Study any foreign languages? How's your music theory?

Dabble, but dabble smart. Dabble like a scholar: Study things. Study the hardest things you can find. Study like you mean it.

Re: Ask HN: I've tried lots of things but haven't finished any.

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Dude, you're 18. The more important question is, are you carrying out meaningful social experiences with people your age? Are you making really great friends who have nothing to do with your career? Are you engaging in dramatic, possibly-hopeless romantic endeavors with cute 18 year old girls (or boys!) that you'll enjoy thinking about when you're 60? You can't buy back your youth, kiddo.

I don't get why, but it seems that few people here are interested in any of the same things I am. It's not like my interests are narrow; indeed, people criticize me for being too much of a dabbler (I am interested in math, physics, chemistry, biology, economics, politics, history, computers, and a whole bunch of other stuff). People just tend to talk about sports and dating and parties and clubs and stuff. Why do so…

I have to thank you first anewkid for posting this thread. I can relate to you very much. You had the courage it takes to accept and say it all.

I actually feel this way: I don't want to work for a body-shopping firm a few years after i graduate. I fear that very much. Coz thats what's been hapenning all around me. The mindset of the people around me is such - graduate, get a job.

So i keep trying things, and have been doing it since i was 14. I'm now 19. I'm still trying :)

So all the best to both of us and everyone around who's in this kinda situation.

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