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Re: Einstein: The Negro Question (1946)

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Post by dragonwriter »

smsm42 wrote: post #200
thisGuysAccount wrote: post #192

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uh... "most physically fit males - especially ones of Brown complexion - are armed to cause serious physical harm" It's a good idea to rephrase that. edit - yes, a lot of black athletes have lower body fat than whites, hispanics, and asians. No, they're not "especially" armed to cause serious physical harm.

It has nothing to do with Brown being black. It has everything to do with him being 193 cm male weighting 95 kg. It is fascinating how discussion of something having zero to do with race suddenly turns into discussing "black athletes" vs. "whites, hispanics, and asians".

> It is fascinating how discussion of something having zero to do with race

It started out about race -- "especially those of Brown complexion" isn't "zero to do with race".

Re: Einstein: The Negro Question (1946)

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Post by 5F36B5F62640 »

king_jester wrote: post #184
5F36B5F62640 wrote: post #178

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Garner, from what we know, seems to be a man who did nothing seriously wrong during his encounter with the police. It is quite disturbing that this encounter resulted in his death. It's not even clear that he should have been having an encounter with the police in the first place. We can look at Garner, and see that a great injustice happened to him. Compare to Brown. The police had a very good reason to stop him (wa…

> and he attacked the police officer and tried to take the officer's gun This is disputed by witness testimony: same say this happened, others say it didn't. Other testimony indicates that Wilson may have instigated conflict when making the stop. > Looking at Brown, we see a man who did something really stupid, and suffered pretty much the same outcome that we'd expect for anyone in that situation. This is not at all…

> Wilson shot Brown when we was a significant distance from the car (100+ feet)

Distance from the car is not relevant. Distance from Wilson is what is relevant. All shots were fired when Wilson was near Brown.

There were two shots fired at or near the car (shown by two spent casings near the car), and there is blood there showing Brown was hit. Hence Wilson was near Brown when these shots were fired.

The remaining 10 shots were all taken near were Brown's body ended up, a smidgen over 150 feet from the car. The spent casings for those 10 shots are all within 20 feet of the body. The pattern of the casings, and the location of blood stains that are not with the body, show that Brown was moving toward Wilson at this time. There is not enough evidence to ascertain his velocity.

> These deaths are wholly related to the racism of police practice in the United States

Do you really think that if a white man hits an officer in the face and tries to take the officer's gun, and then gets shot, and then runs away with the officer in pursuit, and then turns and runs toward the officer, he would not get shot several more times?

> Presenting disputed testimony as the truth is extremely misleading.

I presented no disputed testimony. Witness testimony in this case is contradictory. That's why I stuck with things that are strongly supported by the physical evidence.

Re: Einstein: The Negro Question (1946)

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Post by smsm42 »

kaitai wrote: post #195
smsm42 wrote: post #190

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You understand pretty much any testimony can be - and usually is - "disputed" and it doesn't mean it is wrong? "Disputed" just means somebody said "no, it is not so". Anybody can say that - just as anybody could have said they saw the police officer shooting Brown in the back, despite the autopsy finding no trace of that. Some did. That doesn't mean the officer actually shot Brown in the back with vanishing bullets.…

Are you serious? The color of your complexion is the same as being "armed" to cause serious physical harm? Really look at that and think about it: a pale John Boehner turns into a lethal John Boehner just by adding a bit of spray tan. I put on too much bronzer and suddenly I'm a killer (perhaps a killer clown). My multiracial husband is more physically harmful after mowing the lawn in the summer, maybe even more "let…

Please see the edit - I did not mean "complexion" as color, but as "physical appearance". Looks like I used the word which has different meanings one of which is completely wrong for my point.

Re: Einstein: The Negro Question (1946)

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Post by smsm42 »

dragonwriter wrote: post #201
smsm42 wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It has nothing to do with Brown being black. It has everything to do with him being 193 cm male weighting 95 kg. It is fascinating how discussion of something having zero to do with race suddenly turns into discussing "black athletes" vs. "whites, hispanics, and asians".

> It is fascinating how discussion of something having zero to do with race It started out about race -- "especially those of Brown complexion" isn't "zero to do with race".

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8747065 I now understand why you took it wrong, it was my fault.

Re: Einstein: The Negro Question (1946)

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Post by freddealmeida »

sillysaurus3 wrote: post #180
5F36B5F62640 wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Garner, from what we know, seems to be a man who did nothing seriously wrong during his encounter with the police. It is quite disturbing that this encounter resulted in his death. It's not even clear that he should have been having an encounter with the police in the first place. We can look at Garner, and see that a great injustice happened to him. Compare to Brown. The police had a very good reason to stop him (wa…

he attacked the police officer and tried to take the officer's gun. I wish this single sentence was underscored and repeated every time this issue comes up. Physical evidence confirms this sequence of events: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/11/24/ferguso... There would not be blood inside the police car if Brown hadn't been reaching into the car. In what scenario was it reasonable for Brown to reach in…

He was just a child. It doesn't matter. We shouldn't be killing children.

Re: Einstein: The Negro Question (1946)

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Post by forgotpasswd3x »

freddealmeida wrote: post #205
sillysaurus3 wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

he attacked the police officer and tried to take the officer's gun. I wish this single sentence was underscored and repeated every time this issue comes up. Physical evidence confirms this sequence of events: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/11/24/ferguso... There would not be blood inside the police car if Brown hadn't been reaching into the car. In what scenario was it reasonable for Brown to reach in…

He was just a child. It doesn't matter. We shouldn't be killing children.

Are you trolling?

Re: Einstein: The Negro Question (1946)

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Post by trhway »

sillysaurus3 wrote: post #199
trhway wrote: post #196

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They all were killed because police had the right and executed it at will, not because it was necessary. That execution being allowed by the law to go unpunished is what infuriates people. If somebody is guilty of minor offense, to use it as an excuse to execute them that is what infuriates. Remember video of Oskar Grant executed in cold blood? Minor excuse - oy! I thought it was taser - allowed to avoid murder charg…

But it's not an execution when you attack a police officer. The word "execution" has been brought into the debate solely to rile people up and make them forget that fact. Let's put it this way. Now, I'm not saying this version of events happened. I'm saying, please bear with me and seriously consider the question: You're a cop. You have a gun and nothing else. Someone has just leaned through the window of your cruise…

Even if it was so, one shot would do it, may be only wounding. Yet he had the right to kill, he used it like others. Shooting multiple times or chock holding to make sure that target is dead is execution . They could have shot Garner in leg, instead they used the right to kill.

The killings at will are part of the Dominant Force law enforcement framework. In short - instilling fear as anything can happen to you, your live and death are at their will. That fear is supposedly makes you behave "good". It is a violation of civil rights of general population the same way like sniper rifle prominently targeting demonstrators (another piece of the Dominant Force) is a violation of the demonstrators' 1st Amendment rights (by generating chilling effect)

Re: Einstein: The Negro Question (1946)

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Post by pedrosorio »

smsm42 wrote: post #203
kaitai wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you serious? The color of your complexion is the same as being "armed" to cause serious physical harm? Really look at that and think about it: a pale John Boehner turns into a lethal John Boehner just by adding a bit of spray tan. I put on too much bronzer and suddenly I'm a killer (perhaps a killer clown). My multiracial husband is more physically harmful after mowing the lawn in the summer, maybe even more "let…

Please see the edit - I did not mean "complexion" as color, but as "physical appearance". Looks like I used the word which has different meanings one of which is completely wrong for my point.

Is English your native language? I also interpreted your "complexion" as build/constitution because the word for "complexion" in my native language is "compleição" and can be translated as complexion/build/constitution.

Re: Einstein: The Negro Question (1946)

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Post by kaitai »

audioburn wrote: post #61
itjustdontwork wrote: post #57

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Tell us something we don't all already know? It's a fact that rich black students on average have a lower IQ and do worse on tests than the poorest of white students. Just as men are different from women, in many ways, blacks are different from whites in many ways. There's no point in trying to hide from it.

>It's a fact that rich black students on average have a lower IQ and do worse on tests than the poorest of white students. Citation needed

These aren't the citations you're asking for, but they are interesting (and the comment you responded to got killed).

It's a fact that while second-generation Chinese-Americans score quite well on tests and get a lot of bachelor's degrees, their children score even less well, and by the third generation they're as dumb as Americans. Wait, they are Americans. Right. See table 2 in [1]. So, the point is that according to census data people who come to the US from Asia get dumber, people who come to the US from Eastern Europe get dumber, and people who come here from Africa continue doing very well if they are Nigerian [2] and improve in educational attainment if they came from a refugee camp in Somalia. Hm. Apparently American society makes a lot of people dumber, although it does help out people coming from refugee camps. Since white people from Europe get dumber the longer they stay in the US, we've got to admit that it's the water, or our environmental regulations, or something else affecting their genetics, right? It's only fair. It couldn't be culture.

[1] https://www.princeton.edu/futureofchildren/publications/docs...

[2] http://www.chron.com/news/article/Data-show-Nigerians-the-mo...

Re: Einstein: The Negro Question (1946)

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Post by thisGuysAccount »

smsm42 wrote: post #204
dragonwriter wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It is fascinating how discussion of something having zero to do with race It started out about race -- "especially those of Brown complexion" isn't "zero to do with race".

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8747065 I now understand why you took it wrong, it was my fault.

Yow, bit by the English as a second language bug.

Yeah, that one word really changes the meaning of that phrase.

Yes, absolutely a more reasonable statement knowing that it's the way 'complexion' is similar to 'constitution' in some languages.

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