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Re: Ask HN: How much screen time do you let your kids have?

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There's no such thing as educational tv, although you're right to limit your child to yhe better tv.

An hour a day for a four year old is far too much. {EDIT: in my opinon, with no supporting research} You should be limiting it to a couple of hours per week.

Someone needs to set up a website that curates lists of good (or at least not awful) apps for children -- a good list is needed because no parent has the time to wade through the awful awful app stores.

Children do pick stuff up really easily, so you're probably going around introducing programming concepts the right way. Getting yourself up to speed on the introductory programming languages might be useful so you can answer the "hey dad, what do I do now?"

We do things too early in England - a child born on 31st August would be at school full time now, doing synthetic phonics ("first, fast, only" is the buzzphrase for synthetic phonics here) and learning to write. (It's the full days at school I'm objecting to, not learning to read and write).

Re: Ask HN: How much screen time do you let your kids have?

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You might also consider submitting it to "Show HN": https://news.ycombinator.com/show Welcome aboard! Mz, first lady of hn (or at least it appears that way to me -- someone feel free to prove me wrong)

Thank you!! Will do that...

Make sure you read the guidelines and all that.

Best of luck.

Re: Ask HN: How much screen time do you let your kids have?

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Something about this topic disturbs me. I would always have loved computers no matter what, but if my parents had restricted my screen time during my obsessive periods I don't think I would be half the programmer I am today.

I understand the unease. Most parents asking this question are just seeking reassurance about what their child does.

We know there are some problems with excess screen tine (mostly sleep hygiene, but can combine with speech problems in extreme cases) so it's a good thing that parents ask.

Parents normally know if they have a neuro-atypical child and would tailor the questions appropriately.

Re: Ask HN: How much screen time do you let your kids have?

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The problem is that TV and computers can be used for far more than 'creativity and learning' and, in my experience with kids, the majority of use is mindless. Kids get hooked on games.

And they also tend to read shitty fiction, if they read at all. So again, do you also limit 'paper time'?

Difference is, reading of all kinds has positive effects on outcomes, whereas screen time has the opposite.

Re: Ask HN: How much screen time do you let your kids have?

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The first thing I do is to be specific about the types of screen time:

1. Active and positive, such as educational, creative: example: math apps, spelling apps, etc.

2. Passive but positive: example: watching professional figure skaters so my daughter can understand how good one can get in an area/field

3. Passive and mindless: example: movies

4. Net negatives: example: broadcast TV with advertisements

Net negatives

- Our daughters have nearly zero exposure to net negatives.

Passive and mindless

- Movies, iPad games, etc. are limited. In terms of time, probably 1 or fewer movies per week (so max 90 minutes per week).

Passive but positive

- These are unlimited b/c it helps the girls understand what's possible.

- In terms of time, it's very adhoc. My daughters will watch when they want inspiration.

- My older daughter tends to watch things like piano, ice skating, skate boarding, and other activities that she's into.

- Both girls are allowed to sit with my wife and I when we're watching technology training videos. You'd be amazed at how much our 7 year old knows about big data tech like Hive.

Active and positive

- Unlimited, but the girls tend to self regulate. IMO, self regulation is a skill and I'd rather they learn it early in life.

- I've observed interesting learning patterns when the kids are allowed to really focus on a topic until they master it.

Lastly, the biggest thing I do is integrate digital experiences with experiential / real-world learning. For example, each spring my daughters and I do a thing we call Flower Walk. Basically, we walk around the neighborhood, they smell and take pictures of flowers, then they look information about each flower up on their iPad's.

Re: Ask HN: How much screen time do you let your kids have?

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And they also tend to read shitty fiction, if they read at all. So again, do you also limit 'paper time'?

Difference is, reading of all kinds has positive effects on outcomes, whereas screen time has the opposite.

Do you have evidence of that? That is pretty much exactly what is in question.

Re: Ask HN: How much screen time do you let your kids have?

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post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Difference is, reading of all kinds has positive effects on outcomes, whereas screen time has the opposite.

Do you have evidence of that? That is pretty much exactly what is in question.

This article contains a variety of citations about screen time[1]. And here's some stuff about the benefits of reading[2], from the reading-to angle. There's tons of stuff like this if you care to look in to it in more detail.

Nothing in here is definitive. I am not saying that negative effects of screen time are proven beyond the shadow of a doubt. Personally, what I care about is what's most likely to be true, so I can act on that for the sake of my son. I think it is more likely than not that >2 hours of screen time per day is a negative factor. I think it is more likely than not that reading is a positive factor. I'm not going to wait for something to be 99.99% proven before I act on the information.

[1]http://www.npr.org/blogs/ed/2014/08/28/343735856/kids-and-sc...

[2]http://www.parents.com/fun/entertainment/books/the-brainy-be...

Re: Ask HN: How much screen time do you let your kids have?

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Something about this topic disturbs me. I would always have loved computers no matter what, but if my parents had restricted my screen time during my obsessive periods I don't think I would be half the programmer I am today.

My parents were like this. They hated video games, and to them the only thing a computer was capable of was video games. They would heavily limit "screen time" or ban it outright, regardless of what I was doing. I would need to spend time doing activities they approved of to earn more "screen time."

Writing code?

"Stop playing video games and go outside."

Toying with Linux?

"Stop playing video games and go outside."

Playing World of Warcraft?

"Stop playing video games and go outside."

When I was able to get "screen time" I usually spent more of it playing video games instead of being productive, because that time was so limited.

I would regularly "hang out" on a forum dedicated to amateur story-writers sharing and critiquing each other. I wrote my stories in a notebook, with a few drafts and rewrites, then when I sat down at our computer and the "computer timer" began, I would race to type it up and submit the story, then print out a few other members stories to read during the week, and race to type out reviews for the stories I had printed last time. Then hopefully I had enough time to run a dungeon with friends, or play some Counter Strike.

So I was able to work on my writing offline, but I don't believe that did me any favors. Having access to a spellchecker and Wikipedia while I wrote would have been amazing, instead of a dictionary and no reference materials.

I could be programming, and have to stop and spend a certain amount of time outside. Some days I would spend the time outside just sitting and thinking about my program, working out solutions, I quickly learned that typing is the least essential part of programming. But without Google or documentation, it was hard. I only had one "Teach yourself C++" book, which was not a reference book.

It just wasn't fun, programming at home. Having to stop after two hours, the looks of disapproval as my parents walked by (as if I were doing drugs right in front of them), and being interrupted frequently while working. When I was on the computer, my parents were more likely to assign me pointless chores ("The dog's water bowl is half-empty, fill it up, please") while the "computer timer" was still ticking.

I started a programming club at my high school, and would stay late most days just teaching myself to code, because I didn't want to go home. I remember I would download the source to games I enjoyed, print out about a hundred pages of code and study it. If I was reading code on a screen, I was ruining my life. But if I was reading it on paper, everything was okay.

Of course, I was no saint. I was sucked into World of Warcraft, as were all my friends. I know I have an addictive personality, but it doesn't just apply to negative things. I'm just as "addicted" to programming. I was just as "addicted" to reading and writing science fiction. I don't write anymore, and music took its place. It always finds an outlet anyways, I spent all of my money on comic books and trading card games because those somehow made my parents happier than when I was programming. I wish I had learned better self-control when I was younger instead of learning how to grind through hours of other activities, just to get back to grinding in the game.

The restrictions also made me seem much worse. When a dungeon takes two hours to run, and you only have two hours to use the computer, you get frantic. You call your friends and let them know "I can be on from 3 to 5 Saturday. Be on then, and please don't be late." You're be anxious while the computer starts, while the game loaded. The whole time, this egg-timer above the desk was ticking down. I would be furious when I was kicked off minutes before reaching the final boss. My parents thought video games just made people behave like that. It was even worse when we wiped (when everyone dies), because then I knew it was impossible to complete in time. Thankfully my friends were nice people, and put up with it. Many other people would have just found a new healer.

Sorry, this thread made me want to rant. Please don't restrict mediums. Restrict activities.

Re: Ask HN: How much screen time do you let your kids have?

#69
post #28

Something about this topic disturbs me. I would always have loved computers no matter what, but if my parents had restricted my screen time during my obsessive periods I don't think I would be half the programmer I am today.

My parents were like this. They hated video games, and to them the only thing a computer was capable of was video games. They would heavily limit "screen time" or ban it outright, regardless of what I was doing. I would need to spend time doing activities they approved of to earn more "screen time." Writing code? "Stop playing video games and go outside." Toying with Linux? "Stop playing video games and go outside."…

This sounds... horrible. My parents frequently threatened that they will restrict my time on computer, but happily they didn't.

OP: I don't quite understand. What your child should be doing? Read paper book, because it's better than reading something on screen?

Re: Ask HN: How much screen time do you let your kids have?

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post #61

There's no such thing as educational tv, although you're right to limit your child to yhe better tv. An hour a day for a four year old is far too much. {EDIT: in my opinon, with no supporting research} You should be limiting it to a couple of hours per week. Someone needs to set up a website that curates lists of good (or at least not awful) apps for children -- a good list is needed because no parent has the time to…

"There's no such thing as educational tv..."

I don't see how it's possible to claim this.

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