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Re: Einstein: The Negro Question (1946)

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Post by ChristianBundy »

dreamdu5t wrote: post #143
calibraxis wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's downvoted because it's currently the most serious and rational post on actually solving oppression. Rather than musing abstractly about some dead white scientist talking about blacks. (While taking a break from making money for investors/bosses.) Speaking of prominent white activist intellectuals, here's Chomsky's view on Einstein: "Compare Russell and Einstein, two leading figures, roughly the same generation.…

Chomsky is a hypocritical weasel. Einstein isn't admired because he chose a life of research... he's admired because of his research. Russel is also incredibly admired, then and now.

Can you explain why he's hypocritical?

Re: Einstein: The Negro Question (1946)

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Post by peterfirefly »

audioburn wrote: post #61
itjustdontwork wrote: post #57

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Tell us something we don't all already know? It's a fact that rich black students on average have a lower IQ and do worse on tests than the poorest of white students. Just as men are different from women, in many ways, blacks are different from whites in many ways. There's no point in trying to hide from it.

>It's a fact that rich black students on average have a lower IQ and do worse on tests than the poorest of white students. Citation needed

Why is the post you replied to flagkilled? I thought it was pretty much an empirical fact?

And who does the flagkilling?

Re: Einstein: The Negro Question (1946)

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Post by oso2k »

n72 wrote: post #135
calibraxis wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's downvoted because it's currently the most serious and rational post on actually solving oppression. Rather than musing abstractly about some dead white scientist talking about blacks. (While taking a break from making money for investors/bosses.) Speaking of prominent white activist intellectuals, here's Chomsky's view on Einstein: "Compare Russell and Einstein, two leading figures, roughly the same generation.…

"some dead white scientist" You do realize Einstein was a Jew who was forced to leave Germany because of Nazism, right?

Judaism has and always will be a religion and not an ethnicity or race.

Re: Einstein: The Negro Question (1946)

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Post by peterfirefly »

lotsofmangos wrote: post #117
lexcorvus wrote: post #60

Many a sincere person will answer: "Our attitude towards Negroes is the result of unfavorable experiences which we have had by living side by side with Negroes in this country. They are not our equals in intelligence, sense of responsibility, reliability." I am firmly convinced that whoever believes this suffers from a fatal misconception. Although it has clear political implications, the last part of the quote-withi…

It was ever a political fight. That's what happens when you end up neighbors with the great great grandson of the bloke your great great granddaddy paid to have kidnapped and shipped to the country as a piece of equipment. Sure you can argue over the details about what their family have been like to be around in the intervening time, but don't be surprised if the conversation gets back around to the question of who e…

Plenty of people in my family emigrated to the US 1840-1890. They didn't bring any slaves over from Africa. Lots of people emigrated from Scandinavia and Germany/German states in that period.

Don't overestimate the original sin of current white Americans.

Re: Einstein: The Negro Question (1946)

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Post by sirfapsalot »

eropple wrote: post #33
kingmanaz wrote: post #32

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Or maybe self-righteous Zionists like Einstein could try diversifying their own promised land before proscribing said diversity to others? As it stands, today Palestinian's are in camps, today Ethiopian Jews are deported, and all the while the past sins of the gentiles are ever decried on the airwaves.

I assume, before you posted this angry message, that you refreshed yourself on the differences between Labor Zionism and the right wing flavor in power in the state of Israel? And took into account that this was written in 1946? No? Okay then.

Nice "no true Scotsman" fallacy.

Re: Einstein: The Negro Question (1946)

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Post by RivieraKid »

pcthrowaway wrote: post #94

While Einstein only fully stopped eating animals shortly before his death, there is some indication he also felt uneasy accepting the general attitude on animals as food for some time before that. This is prejudice that that most of us have yet to shake still.

It's subjective, I don't feel that eating animals is wrong.

Re: Einstein: The Negro Question (1946)

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Post by peterfirefly »

UhUhUhUh wrote: post #89

Bottom line, then and now, to be a racist you need either be stupid or have serious psychological issues or a combination of both. On a side note, I always admired Einstein for his tremendous ability to abstract problems. I believe he is the co-inventor of the "thought experiment" with Mach. You can always feel this ability in his writings.

Galileo has a brilliant thought experiment in De Motu about heavy and light falling bodies, possibly connected with a string.

I think Bacon (both Roger and Francis) also used thought experiments to great effect.

Re: Einstein: The Negro Question (1946)

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Post by lostlogin »

oso2k wrote: post #153
n72 wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"some dead white scientist" You do realize Einstein was a Jew who was forced to leave Germany because of Nazism, right?

Judaism has and always will be a religion and not an ethnicity or race.

Many would disagree. I'd call it both. Can you further explain? Probably not the best source: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews Edit: down votes weren't mine.

Re: Einstein: The Negro Question (1946)

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Post by lotsofmangos »

peterfirefly wrote: post #154
lotsofmangos wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was ever a political fight. That's what happens when you end up neighbors with the great great grandson of the bloke your great great granddaddy paid to have kidnapped and shipped to the country as a piece of equipment. Sure you can argue over the details about what their family have been like to be around in the intervening time, but don't be surprised if the conversation gets back around to the question of who e…

Plenty of people in my family emigrated to the US 1840-1890. They didn't bring any slaves over from Africa. Lots of people emigrated from Scandinavia and Germany/German states in that period. Don't overestimate the original sin of current white Americans.

I'm not, it was Americans with Europeans with Africans, against the Africans, Irish and Scottish concerned. Besides, the original sin of white Americans is probably either cannibalism, or hanging Quakers. But even after slavery was agreed as wrong, the idea that the freed slaves and their descendent's were actually real people with equal political rights took a very long time to take hold, and has still only had a limited spread.

Re: Einstein: The Negro Question (1946)

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Post by themartorana »

oso2k wrote: post #153
n72 wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"some dead white scientist" You do realize Einstein was a Jew who was forced to leave Germany because of Nazism, right?

Judaism has and always will be a religion and not an ethnicity or race.

This old thing. It is wrong and has always been wrong. Quoth:

"Race is a social concept used to categorize humans into large and distinct populations or groups by anatomical, cultural, ethnic, genetic, geographical, historical, linguistic, religious, and/or social affiliation. First used to refer to speakers of a common language and then to denote national affiliations, in the 17th century, people began to use the term to relate to observable physical (i.e. phenotypical) traits." [0]

But more importantly, they are an ethnoreligious group, defined by shared ethnicity and religion. [1]

So, not all Jews are Jews, and not all Jews are Jews. But the classification is not always religious.

[0] http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(human_classification)

[1] http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnoreligious_group

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