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New Relic And Hortonworks See Strong Public Debuts

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Re: New Relic And Hortonworks See Strong Public Debuts

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There's always mixed feelings when a competitor goes public.

I work for AppNeta, and while we directly compete against New Relic, I love what they've done for the market. Their competitors were these clunky, on-premise, hard-to-use, didn't support Ruby / Python / PHP / node.js apps, and they've built a beautiful service that's legitimately easy to use. A lot of the data is available from CA or Dynatrace, but it's so much harder to set up and use.

Monitoring so commonly focuses on server metrics, or outside-in uptime, or logs, and I really do think that monitoring transactions end-to-end is an important part of the picture. Day to day, New Relic is absolutely the competition, but in the big picture, there's a lot of big companies using technology that's 15 years old because somebody like New Relic or AppNeta hadn't come along yet.

Glad to see that the market likes them as well. There's awesome stuff happening in Application Performance Monitoring (APM), and if you're not already using something like this, I strongly recommend you look at AppNeta, New Relic, ... and not really anybody else, because the rest haven't really figured it out yet.

Re: New Relic And Hortonworks See Strong Public Debuts

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Thinking about New Relic vis a vis a potential startup bubble makes me think about the old saw about the gold rush where most of the people who got rich were the ones selling pickaxes rather than gold miners.

On the other hand, in the current startup economy the pickaxe bubble is almost as big as the gold mining bubble, but I think it still probably applies more than it doesn't.

Re: New Relic And Hortonworks See Strong Public Debuts

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post #3

There's always mixed feelings when a competitor goes public. I work for AppNeta, and while we directly compete against New Relic, I love what they've done for the market. Their competitors were these clunky, on-premise, hard-to-use, didn't support Ruby / Python / PHP / node.js apps, and they've built a beautiful service that's legitimately easy to use. A lot of the data is available from CA or Dynatrace, but it's so…

I am super happy user of New Relic, but always interested in alternatives. I had never heard of AppNeta, so I checked it out.

Looks like you guys have some nice stuff, but do you mind if I give a new customer first impression?

Very confusing pricing.

First off, right off the bat. There is no central price page and I had to go hunt for what you charge.

Then when I did find Enterprise pricing for TraceView, it has some contradictory language. It says $119/host/month. Then in the bullets below it says

unlimited users

unlimited applications

unlimited hosts

Huh? Is it per host or is it per month?? That makes no sense to me.

Re: New Relic And Hortonworks See Strong Public Debuts

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post #3

There's always mixed feelings when a competitor goes public. I work for AppNeta, and while we directly compete against New Relic, I love what they've done for the market. Their competitors were these clunky, on-premise, hard-to-use, didn't support Ruby / Python / PHP / node.js apps, and they've built a beautiful service that's legitimately easy to use. A lot of the data is available from CA or Dynatrace, but it's so…

and not really anybody else, because the rest haven't really figured it out yet.

I beg to differ there. ;) I work on Skylight (https://www.skylight.io) which is definitely doing some interesting stuff in the APM space.

By focusing on just Rails, we are able to provide features that other services that try to be a jack-of-all-trades frequently miss. For example, we just rolled out a feature that helps you monitor memory usage in production with extremely low overhead[1], which I don't think is something any of our competitors offer.

But yeah, definitely agree that New Relic has been a market leader here. They've validated that people are willing to spend real money on improving performance, something that wasn't obvious just a few years ago.

1: http://blog.skylight.io/announcing-memory-traces/

Re: New Relic And Hortonworks See Strong Public Debuts

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There's always mixed feelings when a competitor goes public. I work for AppNeta, and while we directly compete against New Relic, I love what they've done for the market. Their competitors were these clunky, on-premise, hard-to-use, didn't support Ruby / Python / PHP / node.js apps, and they've built a beautiful service that's legitimately easy to use. A lot of the data is available from CA or Dynatrace, but it's so…

and not really anybody else, because the rest haven't really figured it out yet. I beg to differ there. ;) I work on Skylight ( https://www.skylight.io ) which is definitely doing some interesting stuff in the APM space. By focusing on just Rails, we are able to provide features that other services that try to be a jack-of-all-trades frequently miss. For example, we just rolled out a feature that helps you monitor me…

Conversely by focusing on just rails, you effectively eliminate large swaths of the enterprise market. There's a huge opportunity there for someone who can integrate across platforms and technologies, particularly if you can ship a behind-the-firewall solution.

Re: New Relic And Hortonworks See Strong Public Debuts

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Thinking about New Relic vis a vis a potential startup bubble makes me think about the old saw about the gold rush where most of the people who got rich were the ones selling pickaxes rather than gold miners. On the other hand, in the current startup economy the pickaxe bubble is almost as big as the gold mining bubble, but I think it still probably applies more than it doesn't.

I take it you weren't around for the Dot Com Bubble? I can't tell you how many times I heard this repeated -- and used to justify lofty valuations for infrastructure companies. CSCO, JNPR, ORCL, INTC, EMC, NTAP were all "selling pickaxes" -- none of those valuations ever recovered. And those are the companies that survived; many companies "selling pickaxes" perished through either bankruptcy or (more frequently) fire sale acquisition. There is emphatically a valuation bubble; it will burst; when it bursts, essentially all will suffer -- and life will go on.

Disclaimer: I worked for SUNW "selling pickaxes" before, during and after the Dot Com Bubble, I told myself this lie -- and vowed to never tell it to myself again.

Re: New Relic And Hortonworks See Strong Public Debuts

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There's always mixed feelings when a competitor goes public. I work for AppNeta, and while we directly compete against New Relic, I love what they've done for the market. Their competitors were these clunky, on-premise, hard-to-use, didn't support Ruby / Python / PHP / node.js apps, and they've built a beautiful service that's legitimately easy to use. A lot of the data is available from CA or Dynatrace, but it's so…

strange, there's no pricing info on the site, why?

Re: New Relic And Hortonworks See Strong Public Debuts

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I just wanted to say that I'm a huge NewRelic fan, and really happy for everyone I know who works there.

I've met Lew Cirne before (their CEO), and he's not only an incredibly nice, down-to-earth guy, but an awesome programmer as well.

It was really inspirational (and fun!) to go to the NewRelic Futurestack conference last year -- everyone I bumped into was super awesome, friendly, and really loved their jobs.

For the past 4-years (ish), I've been using NewRelic in 100% of my personal and professional projects, and couldn't be happier. Really love everything they're doing -- it's a solid product, and a solid team.

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