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Re: McMaster researchers may have found a way to restore metabolism to youth levels

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Post by jjoonathan »

andywood wrote: post #49
ChuckMcM wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are few topics that create as much controversial conversation. The well known ones are religion and politics, the third is 'diet/exercise.' Always a lot of energy.

Or in summary: 1. Our ways > your ways. 2. Nuh uh. 3. (Optional) Wanna fight about it? Iterate! (HN version of #2: "Hyperlinks to statistically rigorous peer reviewed studies or GTFO")

Eh, I'd put "I saw a documentary on netflix that said..." into the "Nuh uh" category more than the "stats or GTFO" category.

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Post by orangecat »

exelius wrote: post #33
noobermin wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Taking that hypothesis, do you suppose that the lengthening of the life expectancy of developed countries has had a negative impact on said countries? Or do you think about life prolongation is a good thing up to a point?

It's a good thing up to a point, but we're seeing the negative sides of it too. Namely, we as a society expend a lot of resources on prolonging our lives (in the form of health care costs). We're probably about as far as we can go on life expectancy using cheap/preventative methods like antibiotics and diet/lifestyle changes. So any additional growth in life expectancy will probably be exponentially more expensive (a…

So any additional growth in life expectancy will probably be exponentially more expensive

That's true exactly because we haven't addressed the root problem of aging. If everyone could be restored to the physical condition of a 25 year old, medical costs would fall tremendously. Which is one reason why "only the rich will be able to afford it" is unlikely; governments and insurance companies would probably profit by making anti-aging treatments free.

If you look at Japan or the US, the increase in life expectancy has coincided with a drop in the birth rate - which leads to a situation where you have a lot of old people, but relatively fewer younger workers to support them than in the past.

Likewise, this is only a problem because aging eventually results in the inability to be economically productive.

Re: McMaster researchers may have found a way to restore metabolism to youth levels

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Post by twobits »

zackmorris wrote: post #70
tempestn wrote: post #37

I don't really understand the comments here, and especially on the article itself, deriding this research because "people should just get off their butts and exercise" or similar. I'm sure the researchers wouldn't dispute the benefits of exercise. But if there really is a safe, effective way to improve the metabolism and make it easier to keep off fat, why exactly is that a bad thing? (Naturally the research is far t…

I was watching "Feeding Frenzy: The Food Industry, Marketing & the Creation of a Health Crisis" on LinkTV last night and they talked about how obesity is rising in 3-6 year olds. The point being that children in that age group are no less active today than in the past, so something else is causing obesity, type II diabetes and other problems. The most likely culprit is processed food, where nutrients are not used in…

TL;DR: Capitalism solves everything. /sarcasm.

Some day humanity will realize that the freedom to say and pursue a different opinion, is not the same as "competition".

The freedom to a diff opinion, and pursuing it, is good. Cooperation and sharing, is good. Competition, is bad. It focuses on "wining" and not on solutions and improvement.

PS: Yeah, I know, I live in a wrong, fucking, century :-(

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Post by nooron »

fluidcruft wrote: post #14
noobermin wrote: post #8

So, I thought serotonin was basically the "happiness" hormone. Wouldn't inhibiting serotonin have side-effects like making them feel depressed or at least less happy? Can any biologists comment? EDIT: as a replier mentioned, it's discussed in the article.

That's pop-neuro-psych gibberish marketing talk--molecules aren't moods any more than motor oil is velocity. Also, synaptic serotonin is in a different compartment. But I was pondering about the link between SSRIs and weight gain.

Your first sentence contains an amazing turn of phrase. Thank you.

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Post by DiabloD3 »

crazypyro wrote: post #54
stevebmark wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you saying you don't believe he went off insulin, and that his data was fabricated? You can also just look into the decades of research done on carbohydrates and diabetes http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0899900714...

I'm saying one should be aware of what I think are undisclosed ulterior motives, especially the monetary one. Furthermore, its easy to draw a conclusion from a sample size of one. I could just as easily find a sample size of one for who this diet would not cure T1D and start "exposing the myth" about paleo diets, but it would be shitty science... Also I am skeptical of Paleo diets in general because historical scient…

What you just did is called the Paleo Strawman, its where people who don't understand the Paleo diet claim things such as "oh, its only about eating what was available in the Paleo and Neolithic eras", which has never been true.

What Paleo is, is a large scale research project to figure out why such a diet worked so well for humans, what parts worked, what parts didn't, and how we can scientifically engineer a better diet by reducing known toxins and chemicals that cause unwanted side effects in the body, and providing the correct amount of nutrition the body needs.

Paleo is no more "blindly eating the past" any more than pizza is a health food.

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Post by onewaystreet »

zackmorris wrote: post #70
tempestn wrote: post #37

I don't really understand the comments here, and especially on the article itself, deriding this research because "people should just get off their butts and exercise" or similar. I'm sure the researchers wouldn't dispute the benefits of exercise. But if there really is a safe, effective way to improve the metabolism and make it easier to keep off fat, why exactly is that a bad thing? (Naturally the research is far t…

I was watching "Feeding Frenzy: The Food Industry, Marketing & the Creation of a Health Crisis" on LinkTV last night and they talked about how obesity is rising in 3-6 year olds. The point being that children in that age group are no less active today than in the past, so something else is causing obesity, type II diabetes and other problems. The most likely culprit is processed food, where nutrients are not used in…

> The most likely culprit is processed food

Food doesn't jump into kids' mouths and eat itself. If there's a problem with what kids are eating then it's their parents who are to blame.

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Post by baddox »

jeltz wrote: post #53
tempestn wrote: post #37

I don't really understand the comments here, and especially on the article itself, deriding this research because "people should just get off their butts and exercise" or similar. I'm sure the researchers wouldn't dispute the benefits of exercise. But if there really is a safe, effective way to improve the metabolism and make it easier to keep off fat, why exactly is that a bad thing? (Naturally the research is far t…

To me it is because this just traps you into constantly using the drug instead of adapting to the fact that you have gotten older and should eat less.

I would much rather use a drug than eat less for the rest of my life.

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Post by 31reasons »

galkam wrote: post #66

Am I wrong, or does this contradict all the recent research about fat actually not causing obesity. http://www.businessinsider.com/experts-eat-more-fat-2014-10

This research could be funded by the low-fat industry!

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Post by freshhawk »

tempestn wrote: post #37

I don't really understand the comments here, and especially on the article itself, deriding this research because "people should just get off their butts and exercise" or similar. I'm sure the researchers wouldn't dispute the benefits of exercise. But if there really is a safe, effective way to improve the metabolism and make it easier to keep off fat, why exactly is that a bad thing? (Naturally the research is far t…

I actually find it surprising here given the large number of people here sympathetic to the transhuman/singularity/quantified-self/life-hacker type ideals.

Does it not occur to them that findings like this, combined with a good diet and exercise, are the most likely candidates for actually living longer and staying healthy further into your old age?

I don't care what lazy people will "get away with", I want these advances and to continue my healthy lifestyle.

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Post by rtpg »

onewaystreet wrote: post #76
zackmorris wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was watching "Feeding Frenzy: The Food Industry, Marketing & the Creation of a Health Crisis" on LinkTV last night and they talked about how obesity is rising in 3-6 year olds. The point being that children in that age group are no less active today than in the past, so something else is causing obesity, type II diabetes and other problems. The most likely culprit is processed food, where nutrients are not used in…

> The most likely culprit is processed food Food doesn't jump into kids' mouths and eat itself. If there's a problem with what kids are eating then it's their parents who are to blame.

access to fresh food is more expensive now that the industry has gone more and more into processed foods.

People have to eat, and if you can't afford to get high-quality food, you're gonna buy low-quality food.

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