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Peter Sunde: 'I went to jail for my cause. What did you do?'

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Re: Peter Sunde: 'I went to jail for my cause. What did you do?'

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post #30

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This whole argument disappoints me. Every manufacturer of a DVD or CD Writer has "enabled" illegal copying and potential distribution of copyrighted content. I haven't seen any of those entities reprimanded for their product manufacture.

There's a tax in some countries over blank CD/DVD exactly for that reason, enabling illegal copying. It is a crazy world, anything is possible. Edit: found a link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_copying_levy

You have understood that wrong. In those countries, private copying is legal, and the private copying levy is a tax on recordable media to collect some money from the people who legally practice private copying.

Re: Peter Sunde: 'I went to jail for my cause. What did you do?'

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post #64

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>> "I support TPB's cause. I believe that non-profit sharing of information should be free." And how should the people who take the time to create that 'information' be compensated?

How are the people who created Facebook compensated? I see no reason why ad-based free distribution couldn't be used for e.g. music and movies. People want convenience more than they want free - nobody uses Diaspora, everybody uses Facebook. Also, there is a lot of money to be earned by selling concerts, cinema performances, memorabilia... (I also wouldn't oppose some reasonably short copyright term, e.g. from a few…

Do you believe that content creators should have some say in how their work is distributed?

Should they be able to choose whatever monetization system they feel is most appropriate for their work?

Re: Peter Sunde: 'I went to jail for my cause. What did you do?'

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post #66

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Theft is theft, not free speech.

Theft is a concept that originates from our definition of "property". I oppose the legal definition that copyright == property; I agree that a reasonably short copyright term can encourage the creation of art, but what we have now is outrageous and I don't think the trade-off makes sense for the public.

>> "I oppose the legal definition that copyright == property"

How about a definition like - "If I create something, I own it and have the right to profit from it." Why should my right to profit from what I create have a limited term? Why should it be ok for someone to copy it just because they have the ability to?

Re: Peter Sunde: 'I went to jail for my cause. What did you do?'

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post #25

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> The Pirate Bay isn't some noble cause Consider it as a litmus test for free speech. Providing links to pirated content, not even the content itself, can easily be seen as free speech.

Theft is theft, not free speech.

Theft is theft, but copyright infringement isn't.

Re: Peter Sunde: 'I went to jail for my cause. What did you do?'

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post #66

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Theft is a concept that originates from our definition of "property". I oppose the legal definition that copyright == property; I agree that a reasonably short copyright term can encourage the creation of art, but what we have now is outrageous and I don't think the trade-off makes sense for the public.

>> "I oppose the legal definition that copyright == property" How about a definition like - "If I create something, I own it and have the right to profit from it." Why should my right to profit from what I create have a limited term? Why should it be ok for someone to copy it just because they have the ability to?

Why should the person who first arrange a series of words in a particular order have the power to prevent other people from arranging words into the same order, in perpetuity?

Copyright prevents the free speech of others. There's some justification for it doing so. But it's not a natural, or absolute, right.

Re: Peter Sunde: 'I went to jail for my cause. What did you do?'

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Theft is theft, not free speech.

What is your opinion of the people who shared the DeCSS key? If "46DCEAD317FE45D80923EB97E4956410D4CDB2C2" is free speech, so is a magnet URI

I adore them for their pronunciation skills if they literally shared it through speech. (Sorry, I had to :) )

Re: Peter Sunde: 'I went to jail for my cause. What did you do?'

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> "What people reveal, what people fight for, are major causes. Freedom of information. Liberty. Democracy. Governmental transparency and due process." I have a really hard time trying to link this with my experience on TPB. It's all about downloading stuff without paying for it. Honestly, that's it. I'm not proud of that, I'm not saying it's a noble thing to do. I really don't get what trying to "determine" what sho…

Well, to be pedantic, TPB never actually shares content with anybody. It just links people to other people who are sharing content. And it isn't always copyrighted content. The point isn't to help people steal stuff, it's to help people share information, regardless of whatever arbitrary laws exist about sharing information. That's a worthy cause, IMO.

Re: Peter Sunde: 'I went to jail for my cause. What did you do?'

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post #6

He went to jail for creating a website that enabled people to download music and movies without paying for them. Jail is a harsh punishment IMO for that. ACTA/SOPA etc. are all terrible things that we can't allow and we can't allow the internet to become more centralised/controlled by government. But that's not why he went to jail. Enabling illegal downloads of content has little to do with those causes.

And Manning went to jail for revealing government secrets about government crimes. And Snowden cannot return home because he revealed that people are being spied on. It's very easy to say, "he went to jail because what he did was illegal". It's harder to say "he went to jail despite what he did was right". I support TPB's cause. I believe that non-profit sharing of information should be free.

Cool. Please link to online repository of everything you've ever produced, under any circumstances, for any purpose.

Re: Peter Sunde: 'I went to jail for my cause. What did you do?'

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> "What people reveal, what people fight for, are major causes. Freedom of information. Liberty. Democracy. Governmental transparency and due process." I have a really hard time trying to link this with my experience on TPB. It's all about downloading stuff without paying for it. Honestly, that's it. I'm not proud of that, I'm not saying it's a noble thing to do. I really don't get what trying to "determine" what sho…

Torrenting is an answer to bad service. I want to look up a movie I want to watch, choose between different quality/file size options depending on my bandwidth/hard drive space needs, download an MP4 with decent speeds, watch it, then store it to watch again if I feel like it.

I can do this legally for games via GOG or Steam, I can do this legally for (most) software I use, I can do this legally for music (limited artists) via Bandcamp, but there's NO option for movies, TV series, or most mainstream music. I literally cannot legally watch the latest episode of any of the shows I follow, because when they do have an online offering, it's restricted to the US.

So for me, downloading a movie on TPB is first about convenience, I want to get to the movie and TPB is the means to it. But implicitly it's also sending a message to the gatekeepers of content that I'm interested in their product. The other part of the message is making a habit of looking for and paying for convenient, DRM-free content when it's available.

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