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Google News to shut down in Spain

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Re: Google News to shut down in Spain

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post #53

A pertinent quote from the Guardian article on this story: Germany passed a similar law to Spain’s and Google removed newspapers from Google News in response but in October publishers reached an agreement with the company after traffic to their websites plummeted.

That's exactly how it has to be done. Google can't be allowed to copy the content or parts of it without permission of the creator. We shouldn't forget that they're making huge amounts of money by selling others work here. On the other hand Google claims to create "real value for these publications by driving people to their websites", which is often true in the short run. So the publisher can consider allowing copyi…

> That's exactly how it has to be done. Google can't be allowed to copy the content or parts of it without permission of the creator

Are you saying that quoting and news aggregation must be illegal without consent?

Re: Google News to shut down in Spain

#122
post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course they don't want to create their own content. They're a search company! Their entire business is aggregating and linking to other sources.

I think in this case it's a blurred line. In the case of Youtube even more. True, they don't want to create their own content, but when they republish it and making money by doing so, we're in the middle of the copyright discussion. The question to answer in each of Googles (or others) businesses is, when is Google presenting it's own work (search results, etc.) or the work of others.

There's also always robots.txt, if you don't want your contents indexed.

Re: Google News to shut down in Spain

#123

Good for Google. Greedy, thieving socialist governments have no place in the free world. This new Spanish law stinks of "Anti Dog eat Dog" legislation. Downvote me to hell, but Who is John Galt?

> thieving socialist governments have no place in the free world.

Popular Party socialist?

Please, don't downvote him so we can tell how wrong about the Spanish politic he is.

Re: Google News to shut down in Spain

#124
post #120
post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But the law itself does not seem reasonable. It's a violation of fair use. Lest we forget, Google News links to the articles themselves . It provides a service to news organisations, for—as far as I'm aware—free.

Uh ? Fair use is (part of) a law. Laws are not subject to fair use. You are subject to laws, and yes, this changes some aspects of the legal concept that is called fair use (quotation rights), and that simply changes fair use. Quoting Spanish news sources should no longer be considered fair use inside of Spain.

> Laws are not subject to fair use.

Laws can be subject to other laws (and judicial review). But yeah, fair use is an American Thing.

Re: Google News to shut down in Spain

#125

Things are getting pretty freaky around here in Spain. We've got some horrible (freedom-wise) laws passed recently and we're all angry about them. They've been trying to for several years, and now that people is tired of fighting these stupid laws back they can pass them. This basically means that Google would need to pay to index newspapers.

As an American I watch Europe pretty closely, and I've seen some things that are worrisome such as increasing amounts of fascism (anti-freedom / anti-privacy)... but, things seem to be getting pretty freaky almost everywhere, freedom seems to be on the retreat globally. For Spain, speaking sociologically, how long can an advanced country have 30%-35% real unemployment, before there are severely destabilizing effects…

> As an American I watch Europe pretty closely, and I've seen some things that are worrisome such as increasing amounts of fascism (anti-freedom / anti-privacy)...

As a European who watches the US, I hope the irony of your statement has not escaped you.

The NSA, the Can-Spam act, the TSA, Guantanamo Bay, how Obama gave a kill order on a US citizen without due process, how the hardline christian right and hardline libertarians across the pond would make most of our local extreme right wing clowns look like socialists, how some major libertarian voices in financial news are regularly cheerleading whacky anti-Europeans, the list could go on ad nauseam.

> Even Finland's per capita GDP hasn't increased since 1990 inflation adjusted. How long can such stagnation continue before there are severe consequences.

Doesn't sound so dire... The main reason that inflation-adjusted income has increased in the average US family unit since the 1970s is that it went from one bread earner to two. (See e.g. Elizabeth Warren's research on debt or her books, for instance The Two Income Trap, for the gory details.) I'm not seeing pitchforks.

In more seriousness, this is not meant to be a contest. The point is that things aren't as bad on the continent as you might read in Anglo-Saxon news outlets.

There's some uneasiness and some distress, sure. Here, like on the other side of the pond, the main cause of it at the end of the day is economic woes, most of which stem from bailing out the well connected instead of having let the financial system collapse -- for better or worse.

The most important take away, imho, is that we're at peace. Consider... Since the fall of Rome, we had been almost constantly at war with each other. Whereas besides the Balkans in the 1990s, and the ongoing skirmishes in Crimea, there has been no war here since WW2. That's the longest period of peace between Europe's major powers in history. And thankfully, no ending of this streak is on anyone's radar.

Re: Google News to shut down in Spain

#126
post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So your dilemma could be a false dichotomy if (and I realize it's a big if): * BBC puts things on the global internet * Global users can discover it more readily * BBC becomes well-known as a provider of quality content * Demand for BBC content increases because of the online content already available * BBC can charge more for future content (which it can export first to high-profit-margin channels, then publish onli…

And in any case, the public funding argument never hindered the excellent BBC worldwide radio service.

It's under assault, though.

Re: Google News to shut down in Spain

#127
post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But the law itself does not seem reasonable. It's a violation of fair use. Lest we forget, Google News links to the articles themselves . It provides a service to news organisations, for—as far as I'm aware—free.

Fair use is an american thing. Spain cannot violate US copyright law

Not exactly; the concept of fair use exists in the Berne convention, it's not just an American thing. Unfortunately, the convention only allows countries to establish fair use, it doesn't mandate it.

Re: Google News to shut down in Spain

#128
post #120
post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But the law itself does not seem reasonable. It's a violation of fair use. Lest we forget, Google News links to the articles themselves . It provides a service to news organisations, for—as far as I'm aware—free.

Uh ? Fair use is (part of) a law. Laws are not subject to fair use. You are subject to laws, and yes, this changes some aspects of the legal concept that is called fair use (quotation rights), and that simply changes fair use. Quoting Spanish news sources should no longer be considered fair use inside of Spain.

The doctrine of fair dealing, which is similar but more restrictive than fair use, exists in several Commonwealth countries: Canada, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa are the ones I know of.

Re: Google News to shut down in Spain

#129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fair use is an american thing. Spain cannot violate US copyright law

Not exactly; the concept of fair use exists in the Berne convention, it's not just an American thing. Unfortunately, the convention only allows countries to establish fair use, it doesn't mandate it.

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Re: Google News to shut down in Spain

#130
post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's exactly how it has to be done. Google can't be allowed to copy the content or parts of it without permission of the creator. We shouldn't forget that they're making huge amounts of money by selling others work here. On the other hand Google claims to create "real value for these publications by driving people to their websites", which is often true in the short run. So the publisher can consider allowing copyi…

Your statement "Google can't be allowed to copy the content or parts of it without permission of the creator" doesn't take into account that "Publishers can choose whether or not they want their articles to appear in Google News" (from the post).

And it also doesn't take into account that publishers can use robots.txt to disallow Google News scrapping
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