Earlier quoted context omitted.
Taking vacations only outside summer is forbidden in France?
No, they have to take at least a summer vacation. They get another 5 or so weeks off to use during the rest of the year
No. The whole is 4 or 5 weeks.
Travis CI: From Open to Minimum Vacation Policy
291–300 of 336 posts
Re: Travis CI: From Open to Minimum Vacation Policy
#292I've said it before and I'll say it again, unlimited days off (or "open") and zero days off are identical. If you have unlimited vacation people are inclined to take less and people respect the vacation you take less ("as you can always take more!"). Here's a study[0] (PDF) called "Overwhelmed America: Why Don’t We Use Our Earned Leave?" It is biased (travel association) but interesting nonetheless. According to this…
> According to this study[1] you need at least ten consecutive days of leave to "de-stress" from work. Short vacations aren't as effective as long ones. That can't be true across the board. I haven't taken a vacation in 3 or 4 years by that definition. And frankly, I feel fine. I work with awesome people solving cool problems and love what I do. I've had friends tell me I should take a vacation, and my response is, "…
Why don't you take two weeks off just to see how you feel when you'll be back ?
And I hope you don't have a family.
Re: Travis CI: From Open to Minimum Vacation Policy
#293Genuine question: how do companies/teams that run services deal with peak vacation periods? E.g. Christmas holidays. Even if everyone wants to take the last two weeks of the year off, you have to have someone keeping the lights on. Also, what happens if a high priority problem comes in? Are the team leads/managers careful not to schedule work around the holidays?
Ask in advance what people want, balance things based on seniority, past holidays, etc.
Also surely most people will answer their phone in case of an emergency, if nobody abuse it. I remotely fixed bugs in cyber coffees while traveling in Australia years ago. Nowadays you can practically work with only your smartphone on hand.
Re: Travis CI: From Open to Minimum Vacation Policy
#294I've said it before and I'll say it again, unlimited days off (or "open") and zero days off are identical. If you have unlimited vacation people are inclined to take less and people respect the vacation you take less ("as you can always take more!"). Here's a study[0] (PDF) called "Overwhelmed America: Why Don’t We Use Our Earned Leave?" It is biased (travel association) but interesting nonetheless. According to this…
The biggest part of unlimited vacation is really the culture of your company. If your company is filled w/ workaholics who look down on taking time off, it won't work. I'm an engineer at HubSpot and we have an unlimited vacation policy and for my team, it works great. Everyone is great about taking time off, we are happy for people when they do, and everyone gets their work done and is responsible. Everyone trusts ea…
To be fair in most big tech companies people take all of Christmas->NYE off without reporting it as PTO. Unless your manager is literally nazi, marking it as WFH and sending a couple emails a day qualify as doing work.
Re: Travis CI: From Open to Minimum Vacation Policy
#295Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, they have to take at least a summer vacation. They get another 5 or so weeks off to use during the rest of the year
That's an infantilizing policy. Why should the government decide when you take some of your vacation?
It's the result of populism, not government scheming
Re: Travis CI: From Open to Minimum Vacation Policy
#296Mandatory vacation is not only a good idea, it is a security feature.
When one employee takes over another's "world" within the company, it is very likely that they will notice if the employee on vacation has been embezzling, defrauding customers, etc. In the financial industry, this is not only good practice, it is a regulatory requirement. People who do not want to take vacation are seen by auditors as highly suspicious because that behavior often indicates a desire to cover up fraud.
Re: Travis CI: From Open to Minimum Vacation Policy
#297Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is it? People will still feel guilty when taking time off, and it's possible that forcing people to take time off means the vacation time will be even less respected. "I won't bother that person, they'll need the time" vs "they're just making sure they meet the quota".
But should time off happen only because 'they need the time'? How about having it so people don't get to the point of needing time off?
Oh absolutely, I consider any time you take to stop yourself from needing more time off to be 'needed'. The goal is to stop long-term accumulation of stress, not to remedy it when it gets too bad.
Re: Travis CI: From Open to Minimum Vacation Policy
#298Earlier quoted context omitted.
Surely you could go self-employed with contract in the same company. This way you can follow your own path while everybody else can use what os provided by the law. You would also earn more per hour to compensate for holidays you would normally be entitled to.
You can't self-employ in Germany without actually working for more than one company. (It was abused too much to get around employee protections.)
There are lots of ways around this, including just forming your own company and then exclusively working for another.
Re: Travis CI: From Open to Minimum Vacation Policy
#299Earlier quoted context omitted.
I definitely agree that people in any form of leadership role serve as an example. They do on many more things than just vacation time. In general, that's one of the ways to influence culture, by being the best example of it. Conversely, if you don't act as an exponent of your own culture, it breeds a "do as I say, not as I do" atmosphere, which is just as negative as not trying to fix your culture. I also agree that…
"Being forced to meet a quota just means it feels like I'm wasting days that I could be productive doing the things I'm actually being paid for." But surely if you want to get your work/life balance right, you would naturally end up taking ~25 days off a year without feeling like you're forced to? I guess it varies from person to person.
It does vary from person to person, and from job to job. For me, it's less than 25 days, on average. Others might need much more. I won't judge anyone for taking more vacation time, and I'll respect it as best I can. I just like having the option of not taking time if I don't want it :)
Re: Travis CI: From Open to Minimum Vacation Policy
#300I've said it before and I'll say it again, unlimited days off (or "open") and zero days off are identical. If you have unlimited vacation people are inclined to take less and people respect the vacation you take less ("as you can always take more!"). Here's a study[0] (PDF) called "Overwhelmed America: Why Don’t We Use Our Earned Leave?" It is biased (travel association) but interesting nonetheless. According to this…
Unlimited vacation doesn't work. Where I work, all it resulted in was our project manager taking a week off at the same time that us developers were pulling 10pm nights and coming in on that weekend to get a feature done that he had promised an unrealistic deadline for. God help us if one of the people who actually builds things had wanted a vacation during crunch time. In 14 months of working there full time, I've m…
What country do you work in?