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Re: Apple and IBM Deliver First Wave of IBM MobileFirst for iOS Apps

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Post by _delirium »

Gorbzel wrote: post #16
ha292 wrote: post #7

IBM is playing to two of it's strengths here -- decades of enterprise sales relationships and development manpower, largely based in India. In effect, they're becoming a sales and System Integration channel for Apple. In return they get to give their customers mobile apps that put lipstick on the pigs (Mainframe software, WebSphere/J2EE apps). What I find amusing is how IBM is spinning this into a "Data and Analytics…

Really? Largely based in India? :-(

IBM hasn't reported country-by-country employment data in several years, but it's widely assumed that India has the plurality of their workforce (about 1/3), with the U.S. having their second-biggest headcount. One big part of their business these days is large-scale IT consulting, and while they position themselves as a significantly "premium" provider compared to e.g. Accenture, they probably feel more constrained in just how much of a premium they can charge than they used to, so have been trying to get their cost structure to be not too far from that of their big IT-consulting-shop competitors.

Re: Apple and IBM Deliver First Wave of IBM MobileFirst for iOS Apps

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Post by ausjke »

ha292 wrote: post #7

IBM is playing to two of it's strengths here -- decades of enterprise sales relationships and development manpower, largely based in India. In effect, they're becoming a sales and System Integration channel for Apple. In return they get to give their customers mobile apps that put lipstick on the pigs (Mainframe software, WebSphere/J2EE apps). What I find amusing is how IBM is spinning this into a "Data and Analytics…

"largely based in India" == I'm not surprised. Texas Instruments has so many engineers in India that it's joked as "Texas India" these days.

Except for the social-web-developers in SV(facebook,twitter and all that, though Tecent in China is already larger than Facebook in that front too, not to mention Alibaba, Baidu etc), we don't really realize how much of those big companies' products are R&D-ed and manufactured overseas these days from silicon design all the way up. When we wake up, it might be too late already. Sometimes I think the end result will be probably a war, as that's really what US leaves with these days. I hope I'm 100% wrong.

Re: Apple and IBM Deliver First Wave of IBM MobileFirst for iOS Apps

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Post by manticore_alpha »

r0h1n wrote: post #19
Gorbzel wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really? Largely based in India? :-(

No more than Apple is "largely manufactured in China"?

Except Apple products are developed, designed, coded, tested, etc - all in the United States.

Re: Apple and IBM Deliver First Wave of IBM MobileFirst for iOS Apps

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Post by JohnTHaller »

manticore_alpha wrote: post #23
r0h1n wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No more than Apple is "largely manufactured in China"?

Except Apple products are developed, designed, coded, tested, etc - all in the United States.

The code is. I don't think the hardware itself is QAed in the US.

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Post by manticore_alpha »

JohnTHaller wrote: post #24
manticore_alpha wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except Apple products are developed, designed, coded, tested, etc - all in the United States.

The code is. I don't think the hardware itself is QAed in the US.

It definitely is. Huge testing facilities, radio testing, durability, temperature cycling.

All done by Apple in the US.

Re: Apple and IBM Deliver First Wave of IBM MobileFirst for iOS Apps

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Post by niels_olson »

ams6110 wrote: post #12

Well you can definitely see the IBM influence in this announcement. Some of those sentences could have come straight out of the buzzword generator.

The whole announcement is just words. These are just words to keep stockholders apprised of the situation. This release suggests they have some business clients, and it gives some businesses who would like to bring in Apple more leverage to campaign to higher ups who are scared to death of putting a toe outside the warm blanket of Microsoft, IBM, Oracle, et al.

If you're not big enough to have a press release full of buzzwords that no one cares about, you're not big enough to talk to the Pentagon. Seems backward, but that's the logic inside the Pentagon.

Re: Apple and IBM Deliver First Wave of IBM MobileFirst for iOS Apps

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Post by happyscrappy »

ausjke wrote: post #22
ha292 wrote: post #7

IBM is playing to two of it's strengths here -- decades of enterprise sales relationships and development manpower, largely based in India. In effect, they're becoming a sales and System Integration channel for Apple. In return they get to give their customers mobile apps that put lipstick on the pigs (Mainframe software, WebSphere/J2EE apps). What I find amusing is how IBM is spinning this into a "Data and Analytics…

"largely based in India" == I'm not surprised. Texas Instruments has so many engineers in India that it's joked as "Texas India" these days. Except for the social-web-developers in SV(facebook,twitter and all that, though Tecent in China is already larger than Facebook in that front too, not to mention Alibaba, Baidu etc), we don't really realize how much of those big companies' products are R&D-ed and manufactured o…

>I hope I'm 100% wrong.

You are. Manufacturing is moving back to the US quickly as labor in China gets more expensive and fuel costs increase.

Re: Apple and IBM Deliver First Wave of IBM MobileFirst for iOS Apps

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Post by justicezyx »

happyscrappy wrote: post #28
ausjke wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"largely based in India" == I'm not surprised. Texas Instruments has so many engineers in India that it's joked as "Texas India" these days. Except for the social-web-developers in SV(facebook,twitter and all that, though Tecent in China is already larger than Facebook in that front too, not to mention Alibaba, Baidu etc), we don't really realize how much of those big companies' products are R&D-ed and manufactured o…

>I hope I'm 100% wrong. You are. Manufacturing is moving back to the US quickly as labor in China gets more expensive and fuel costs increase.

So true

Re: Apple and IBM Deliver First Wave of IBM MobileFirst for iOS Apps

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Post by final »

happyscrappy wrote: post #28
ausjke wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"largely based in India" == I'm not surprised. Texas Instruments has so many engineers in India that it's joked as "Texas India" these days. Except for the social-web-developers in SV(facebook,twitter and all that, though Tecent in China is already larger than Facebook in that front too, not to mention Alibaba, Baidu etc), we don't really realize how much of those big companies' products are R&D-ed and manufactured o…

>I hope I'm 100% wrong. You are. Manufacturing is moving back to the US quickly as labor in China gets more expensive and fuel costs increase.

Fuel costs are not increasing. Shipping across oceans is extremely cheap. Way more more manufacturing is moving US -> China, than the opposite.
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