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Re: PresidentObama on GitHub

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Could you explain why? It seems like just as strange a technological barrier (for the average citizen) as the current process of proposing a law.

I'll try. I think the founders got an impressive amount of the "free and open nation" concepts right. I think the Sears and Roebuck Catalog was an effective tool in its time. I would rather order from an online store than the Sears and Roebuck Catalog. It'll be faster, more responsive, more transparent experience. The store owners intend it and the internet as a medium allows it to a greater extent than was previousl…

I watched this TED Talk last night which I found very interesting:

http://www.ted.com/talks/pia_mancini_how_to_upgrade_democrac...

> Pia Mancini and her colleagues want to upgrade democracy in Argentina and beyond. Through their open-source mobile platform they want to bring citizens inside the legislative process, and run candidates who will listen to what they say.

Re: PresidentObama on GitHub

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Could you explain why? It seems like just as strange a technological barrier (for the average citizen) as the current process of proposing a law.

Imagine if we could analyze a current law (ex. Computer Fraud & Abuse Act) and tweak the parts that are being abused or used in a way that they weren't intended. Or each time a law is added (merged with Master branch) we could see who voted in favor of that law (i.e. greater transparency). Other countries could take our constitution/laws up to a certain point (commit) and then branch off and implement their own appro…

Wait, isn't there already a website which lists who voted which way in the united states? If not that's astounding.

Re: PresidentObama on GitHub

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They do. Type up a bill and mail it to your Congresspeople. I don't see how the medium changes proposing laws.

I think the difference is that with a PR it's public knowledge if the government responds/acknowledges/denies the request. It's also easier to type a bill and email it rather than use snail mail (I'm assuming that's what you meant).

You could e-mail a bill you wrote to your Congressman right now. Congress may be out of touch, but they do have e-mail.

The transparency angle is interesting, but I still don't think anything would change. Pull requests would be ignored like petitions, or receive canned responses like letters.

The primary problem here is not technological.

Re: PresidentObama on GitHub

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you explain why? It seems like just as strange a technological barrier (for the average citizen) as the current process of proposing a law.

I'll try. I think the founders got an impressive amount of the "free and open nation" concepts right. I think the Sears and Roebuck Catalog was an effective tool in its time. I would rather order from an online store than the Sears and Roebuck Catalog. It'll be faster, more responsive, more transparent experience. The store owners intend it and the internet as a medium allows it to a greater extent than was previousl…

I think you're saying "the current system is antiquated, and we need a new one," but I'm not convinced Github is the right one. Sure, Github has great ideas like forking and transparency, but it also has a ton of barriers, like memorizing a bunch of terminal commands/flags or using a relatively buggy UI. You could also argue that Github reduces the weight of a (citizen) vote or a comment. Just because we trust anonymous feedback for products on Amazon and news stories does not mean we should have the same trust in legislation.

I think what's needed is a new system designed from the ground up, using the good ideas that git has but avoiding the limiting ones.

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