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The Pirate Bay down, forever?

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Re: The Pirate Bay down, forever?

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Post by mikeash »

eXpl0it3r wrote: post #17
witty_username wrote: post #3

I must agree; the ads are way too crazy.

Maybe I'm one of these "jerks", but it's always amusing to me when people complain about ads on the internet, while there are so many different ad-blockers out there.

I don't use ad blockers simply because I don't want to engage in an arms race with web sites I visit. If ads on a site become too onerous then I'll move on. Until then, I'll keep the ads, and even click them sometimes if they're interesting (which really does happen from time to time, targeted advertising can work).

However, I don't really complain about ads. I occasionally make fun of them (it's always hilarious when Amazon's targeted ad program decides it makes sense to advertise products I just bought from them) but if a site's ads get to the point where they're worthy of complaint, then the site is worthy of no longer being visited.

I guess that means I find complaints weird for a somewhat different reason. Ads aren't shoved in your face, you choose to visit sites that host them. Talking to a web server and asking it, "Please send me the content of this page," and then complaining when it does what you requested is odd.

Re: The Pirate Bay down, forever?

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Post by titanomachy »

roel_v wrote: post #38
lelandbatey wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The thing is that to download a torrent, the absolute minimum amount of information you need is the torrent hash. The torrent hash is on the order of ~40 characters long, requiring no other information. All you have to do is paste that short sting into a torrent client to download a set of files. Are we really going to say that these 40 character strings are illegal to share? If I paste the hash for the latest blockb…

It's sad that I have to beat that tired old drum again, but in law, intent matters (yes I have a law degree but I think it's fair to say that one doesn't need one to know that). After 15 years I should have been desensitized by farcically naive 'reasoning' (or I should say, farcically naive sophistry, because let's face it, that's what it is) like 'they don't post torrents, the users do' and 'how can a small string b…

True, I'm tired of the old "ones and zeros" argument. If all you did was punch some numbers into a phone and speak a name, it's still conspiracy to commit murder (or whatever, IANAL) if you are calling a hitman. If you flash your headlights to warn thieves that the police are coming, you're still an accomplice. Surely it can't be illegal to flash my headlights?? Well, yeah it is, in this case. And if I share a hash key which tells people where to find child porn, well that's illegal too.

Re: The Pirate Bay down, forever?

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Post by towelguy »

musername wrote: post #143
amelius wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you wrote down the number Pi in hexadecimal, I conjecture that any possible 40-digit sequence would appear in there somewhere. Indeed, how could it possibly be illegal to share pieces of Pi? :)

because information without conext is useless?

So someone shares the sequence without any context and someone else grabs it and conjectures the context themselves.

What if they share positional information from a known sequence: pi[3000:3040].

Re: The Pirate Bay down, forever?

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Post by soneca »

bazzargh wrote: post #114
cshimmin wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Am I missing something here?

I think the GP post has been edited, I'd guess the helium balloons are a reference to this story http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/122789-the-pirate-bay-pla... that TPB might move the site to drones/LEO sats/balloons.

Nope, my mistake. This was supposed to be an answer to this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8727049 on another thread.

I was reading both and confused the tabs while clicking on reply, I guess.

Re: The Pirate Bay down, forever?

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Post by nickthemagicman »

vicpara wrote: post #70

This article doesn't get the point. It's old, doesn't change, conservative and outdated? Stop using it. The big problem is that TPB was taken offline not because it was buggy but because helped people copyrighted content.

Thank you so much.

This is a seriouis strawman avoiding the actual issues of censorship, big govt overreach, abuse of power, and all that.

Re: The Pirate Bay down, forever?

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Post by evo_9 »

ZoF wrote: post #144
mfisher87 wrote: post #131

NICE TITLE HN: "The pirate bay down forever (Peter Sunde's blog)" Peter Sunde's Blog: "The Pirate Bay down, forever?"

I'm genuinely curious as to why an admin hasn't changed this title yet. Certainly enough people have commented about it and it is a grossly misleading omission.

Yeah pretty much the silliest thing about HN now - the endless title tweaking by the mods.

And to what end? More than once the title has changed so significantly I thought it was an entirely new article.

Re: The Pirate Bay down, forever?

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Post by tehaugmenter »

ZoF wrote: post #144
mfisher87 wrote: post #131

NICE TITLE HN: "The pirate bay down forever (Peter Sunde's blog)" Peter Sunde's Blog: "The Pirate Bay down, forever?"

I'm genuinely curious as to why an admin hasn't changed this title yet. Certainly enough people have commented about it and it is a grossly misleading omission.

Not knowing whose blog it is leads you believe it may be a factual article as well.

I refuse to upvote misleading information like this.

Re: The Pirate Bay down, forever?

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Post by bjourne »

deciplex wrote: post #31
draugadrotten wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, you can say that "the prosecutor said this and the defendant counsel said this", but at the end of the day we know that the four operators of the site were convicted by Stockholm district court on 17 April 2009 and sentenced to one year in jail each and a total of 30 million Swedish kronor (approximately US$3.5 million, €2.7 million) in fines and damages. So I guess the court believed the prosecutor.

Well, for one, that the fines and damages were n has no bearing on what profit the site made, if any. And, two, given the current legal environment in most of the West including Sweden, "the court believed the prosecutor" doesn't mean shit, really. Of course the court believed the prosecutor - they are on the same team, after all.

From what I remember the defense never provided any counter-claim about how much money tpb made. All they argued was that the prosecutors claim was ridiculously high. Exactly how much money the ad networks paid out is not publicly known but wire transfers are tracable. So it seems obvious to me that if brokep and anakata during the trial wanted to prove how much or how little the tpb made, then it would have been easy for them to do so.
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