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Re: The Pirate Bay down, forever?

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Post by cshimmin »

draugadrotten wrote: post #11
Kequc wrote: post #4

In the last 8 years the pirate bay hasn't changed? It went open source and embraced magnet links entirely. Making it so that almost nothing was being hosted on the server itself. You can download the entire pirate bay in 90MB to put one up of your own. There are hundreds of pirate bays all over the world running on almost nothing allowing everyone to download the same things at the same speeds. [edit: It didn't go op…

> The ads were because of legal defence fees, which can be huge. Citation? The ads were making millions(1) to the people behind the TPB, and the legal cost is several orders of magnitude less. update: (1) http://www.thelocal.se/20100930/29334 "The Pirate Bay earned up to 35 million kronor ($5.2 million) in advertising revenue from the file sharing website" (2010, already)

Several orders of magnitude? So legal defense costs less than ~tens of dollars?

Re: The Pirate Bay down, forever?

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Post by [deleted] »

cshimmin wrote: post #109
soneca wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

trivia about flying on helium balloons: "In 1982, Larry Walters flew across Los Angeles in a lawn chair lifted by weather balloons, eventually reaching several miles in altitude. After passing through LAX airspace, he descended by shooting some of the balloons with a pellet gun." In Brazil, a priest doing a gimmick to raise some funds to his church went on flying with helium balloons. He was drifted to the ocean by t…

Am I missing something here?

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Re: The Pirate Bay down, forever?

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Post by bazzargh »

cshimmin wrote: post #109
soneca wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

trivia about flying on helium balloons: "In 1982, Larry Walters flew across Los Angeles in a lawn chair lifted by weather balloons, eventually reaching several miles in altitude. After passing through LAX airspace, he descended by shooting some of the balloons with a pellet gun." In Brazil, a priest doing a gimmick to raise some funds to his church went on flying with helium balloons. He was drifted to the ocean by t…

Am I missing something here?

I think the GP post has been edited, I'd guess the helium balloons are a reference to this story http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/122789-the-pirate-bay-pla... that TPB might move the site to drones/LEO sats/balloons.

Re: The Pirate Bay down, forever?

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Post by cpach »

RubyPinch wrote: post #101
thewarrior wrote: post #77

How hard would it be to build a distributed hosting system for all the torrents ever on Piratebay ? Considering how one poster here says that all of the torrents upto 2013 fit into 90 MB , its quite feasible. It could tunnel over TOR to make tracking things a little more difficult.

Isn't it already roughly done like that? the entire bittorrent magnet system https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnet_URI_scheme which, if I'm not mistaken, will look for peers which have the relevant torrent file, and acquire and use that - - - and the 90MB is all the information /except/ torrent files, once again, if I'm not mistaken

Currently you still need a web site for searching the magnet links.

Re: The Pirate Bay down, forever?

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Post by icebraining »

roel_v wrote: post #107
upofadown wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think that the post you were responding to was really arguing that the size of the hash was the significant factor for legality. It was instead pointing out that treating the distribution of such short hashes as illegal is absurd. There is nothing to prevent a government from making laws against, say, the distribution of bomb making information. Governments have done so. Such laws are still absurd in a world…

I'm not sure what you're arguing. Is it that IP protection laws are immoral, or that they're impractical? GP was making a moral argument (I think), you seem to be making a practical one. So assuming that you are making a practical argument: should there be no laws that are hard to enforce? Let's take domestic abuse, or child abuse. Hard to detect, even harder to prosecute because there is usually little physical evid…

People have been saying for years 'you can't shut down the torrent sites!'. Well there aren't a whole lot of them left, are there?

Yes. Yes there are. Not to mention hundreds of sites (especially forums) where torrent files and magnet links are distributed.

Re: The Pirate Bay down, forever?

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Post by paublyrne »

upofadown wrote: post #89
roel_v wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's sad that I have to beat that tired old drum again, but in law, intent matters (yes I have a law degree but I think it's fair to say that one doesn't need one to know that). After 15 years I should have been desensitized by farcically naive 'reasoning' (or I should say, farcically naive sophistry, because let's face it, that's what it is) like 'they don't post torrents, the users do' and 'how can a small string b…

I don't think that the post you were responding to was really arguing that the size of the hash was the significant factor for legality. It was instead pointing out that treating the distribution of such short hashes as illegal is absurd. There is nothing to prevent a government from making laws against, say, the distribution of bomb making information. Governments have done so. Such laws are still absurd in a world…

>Such laws are still absurd in a world where there is no practical way to limit the distribution of such ideas.

We keep child pornography illegal, and indeed take measures to limit its distribution. It isn't clear that laws are necessarily absurd because of the difficulty of their enforcement.

The absurdity of a law might be better measured based by the effects of the thing the law prohibits on society or individuals.

Re: The Pirate Bay down, forever?

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Post by belorn »

draugadrotten wrote: post #18
gcb0 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The ads were making millions Citation?

http://www.thelocal.se/20100930/29334 "The Pirate Bay earned up to 35 million kronor ($5.2 million) in advertising revenue from the file sharing website" (2010, already)

That number was based on how much advertising space earn on sites with similar unique visitor count, like BBC or NYT.

The assumption is that that companies are willing to spend the same amount of money to advertise on a torrent site as a international news paper.

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