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The Pirate Bay down, forever?

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Re: The Pirate Bay down, forever?

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Post by dagw »

johanneskanybal wrote: post #76
Stormcaller wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Btw, can someone explain to me how they can have ads? I mean, if US is willing to go far enough that they seem to have obvious influence on other countries and these countries punish these individuals, when normally they don't(or so I think), surely they very interested in taking down TPB or finding out who runs it? And they had ads when there were no bitcoin etc. So what I'm wondering is that, if I were interested i…

Because NSA is not the king of Sweden? Who ran pirate bay was never a secret, you just read the blog of a former spokesperson of the site. They operated by dodging swedish law, piratebay is still not illegal here. Goverment countered by prosecuting two(?) of the founders for other, unrelated stuff (hacker stuff if memory serves me right). Hope that explains some of it and excuse the bumpy-train-ride-spelling.

Nope, all four where found guilty of accessory to crime against copyright law in 2009. The hacker charges against two of the four came several years after the pirate bay trail.

Re: The Pirate Bay down, forever?

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Post by Ntrails »

chii wrote: post #60
caractacus wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The site had 50m uniques a month. At least 2-3 ads on every page. Even at a terrible CPM rate or CPC conversion rate, they'd have to be ansolute morons not to be making oodles of cash from that setup.

i find that difficult to believe, because almost everyone who would go to the pirate bay would have adblock of some sort no!?

I find this entire thread bizarre as I'd always thought pirate bay was ad free (and due to blockers never knew different)

Re: The Pirate Bay down, forever?

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Post by ghshephard »

zerr wrote: post #33

Can anybody explain what's the fuzz regarding pirate bay? I mean, there are tons of good torrent sites and search engines everybody use every day... I don't even remember when I last time used TPB...

The authorities, indeed even the Movie industry, don't care about the niche search engines and torrent sites that the 1% of people into the scene use, they care about the big ones that 99% of the people use.

By shutting down TPB, they've just eliminated the site that >99% of people are using, which is all that really matters to them.

Moral: Stay off the Radar of those in power, and you can do whatever you want.

Re: The Pirate Bay down, forever?

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Post by no_future »

Created a website whose sole purpose is to distribute copyrighted files illegally(and includes a very popular "Porn" section I might add), yet he complains about some "sexist" company sending scantily clad girls to distribute freebies at a party in Stockholm(in Sweden, who traditionally has been very laid back about that type of thing). What a blowhard.

Re: The Pirate Bay down, forever?

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Post by caractacus »

cdevfr wrote: post #45
draugadrotten wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, you can say that "the prosecutor said this and the defendant counsel said this", but at the end of the day we know that the four operators of the site were convicted by Stockholm district court on 17 April 2009 and sentenced to one year in jail each and a total of 30 million Swedish kronor (approximately US$3.5 million, €2.7 million) in fines and damages. So I guess the court believed the prosecutor.

How does that help your point. You still haven't provided any information that would back your claims.

Can you try and persuade me that TPB wasn't making substantial revenue when you have millions of daily visitors and a hell of a lot of ads? It seems a pretty simple assumption to make. What factors were in place that stopped that revenue flow?

Re: The Pirate Bay down, forever?

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Post by thewarrior »

cpach wrote: post #78
thewarrior wrote: post #77

How hard would it be to build a distributed hosting system for all the torrents ever on Piratebay ? Considering how one poster here says that all of the torrents upto 2013 fit into 90 MB , its quite feasible. It could tunnel over TOR to make tracking things a little more difficult.

Sure. But how would one manage updates? I.e. accepting new torrents.

How about just falling back to Gnutella P2P for the torrent hosting layer.

Re: The Pirate Bay down, forever?

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Post by upofadown »

roel_v wrote: post #38
lelandbatey wrote: post #10

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The thing is that to download a torrent, the absolute minimum amount of information you need is the torrent hash. The torrent hash is on the order of ~40 characters long, requiring no other information. All you have to do is paste that short sting into a torrent client to download a set of files. Are we really going to say that these 40 character strings are illegal to share? If I paste the hash for the latest blockb…

It's sad that I have to beat that tired old drum again, but in law, intent matters (yes I have a law degree but I think it's fair to say that one doesn't need one to know that). After 15 years I should have been desensitized by farcically naive 'reasoning' (or I should say, farcically naive sophistry, because let's face it, that's what it is) like 'they don't post torrents, the users do' and 'how can a small string b…

I don't think that the post you were responding to was really arguing that the size of the hash was the significant factor for legality. It was instead pointing out that treating the distribution of such short hashes as illegal is absurd. There is nothing to prevent a government from making laws against, say, the distribution of bomb making information. Governments have done so. Such laws are still absurd in a world where there is no practical way to limit the distribution of such ideas. A government might just as well make a law against the darkness that occurs after the sun goes down.

Re: The Pirate Bay down, forever?

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Post by perlpimp »

code_duck wrote: post #39
Stormcaller wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Btw, can someone explain to me how they can have ads? I mean, if US is willing to go far enough that they seem to have obvious influence on other countries and these countries punish these individuals, when normally they don't(or so I think), surely they very interested in taking down TPB or finding out who runs it? And they had ads when there were no bitcoin etc. So what I'm wondering is that, if I were interested i…

The NSA doesn't police copyright issues. Their involvement would be arranging for FBI/police in Europe to get the info they desire to do that.

yeah but they share data with adjacent three letter agencies at least it was done so with War On Drugs policing cartel - they had to furnish received information from NSA as if they have discovered it.
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