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That's the Good. There's also the Bad, and the Ugly.

I've left France (I'm french), and now live in Malta, because of the Bad and the Ugly. France has high taxes (and 50% social contributions), very anti-entrepreneur and ultra-bureaucratic mindset, a sinking economy, a vastly anti-libertarian political landscape, and a high cost of living vs. quality of living.

If you're tempted anyway, Good Luck.

Re: ParisIsBack – The Paris Tech Guide

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This makes me cringe a bit. What this document says seems to be that France is a great country to start a company in mostly because you can get cheap labor. It is stated that a mid-level dev is $50-80K in France, however the cost of living in Paris is comparable to living in New York, so it means that you ultimately should come to Paris because you can cut your payroll by 20%.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> To be fair, a lot of “random brasseries” are pretty good, you can eat a good meal for €10 everywhere in the city. You'd have better luck with a random $3 slice of pizza in NYC IMHO. Don't get me started on the kind of lunch €5 gets you anywhere in Italy.

Well, in France we don't have the culture of junk food and fast-food... If you want to eat that way you need to prepare it yourself, if not yeah you're right it's more expensive than NYC. But you should try a sandwich with a good baguette !

I lived four years in Paris and the fact that junk food culture is absent in France is a myth!

University cafeterias serve fries every day as one of the options and there are a lot of kebab places throughout the city, but mind you not a good pita with lots of salad, but a sandwich with a ton fries.

Moreover I think a slice of pizza with tomato and mozzarella is not junk food. But maybe that's just me.

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It's very hard to live in Paris if you are not fluent in French... Or you're doomed to live amongst ex-pats, which defeats the purpose of the experience.

No its not. Paris is the most touristic city in the world. You can be perfectly fine if you don't speak word of french.

In touristic areas maybe...

Re: ParisIsBack – The Paris Tech Guide

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There are a bunch of nice things to be said about Paris and the tax rebate system they put in place for startups and companies that spend heavily in R&D. However I think that Paris has a very low quality of life in most of the fields that are ignored in metrics: - Apartment prices are usually measure by the room when doing comparisons. In Paris the room count is misleading: I've seen studios smaller than 15 m^2 and 1…

A city like Lille (or Strasbourg, Nantes, etc.) offers a much better quality of life but looks like to a small village regarding tech, in comparison to Paris. The business activity outside Paris in very weak. Few startups, few engineers, few meetups ... I don't regret my former "provincial" life, even if I live now in a small apartment in a decrepit building in a noisy neighborhood.

That's a problem in France, everything is centralized in Paris.

There are aternatives though: I worked for a few years in Grenoble (I'm now in Lyon) and there are interesting meetups in Geneva and Lyon which are both about 1 hour from Grenoble by car or train.

Re: ParisIsBack – The Paris Tech Guide

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That's the Good. There's also the Bad, and the Ugly. I've left France (I'm french), and now live in Malta, because of the Bad and the Ugly. France has high taxes (and 50% social contributions), very anti-entrepreneur and ultra-bureaucratic mindset, a sinking economy, a vastly anti-libertarian political landscape, and a high cost of living vs. quality of living. If you're tempted anyway, Good Luck.

For most entrepreneurs "regular" startup hubs, despite their burdens, are worth it for everything else they offer.

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As a previous foreign entrepreneur who lived in Paris for 8 years here's my experience and my advice: In paris entrepreneurship is a VIP club for rich people who will rarely take real risk. Seed investment is next to impossible. The tax reduction schemes requires months of procedures and administrative paperwork. Real estate is almost as expensive as London. And the worst, if you're a foreigner you'll have a real har…

Wow, that's a great deal of french bashing in such a short comment. I agree that the immigration laws must be a real pain for some people. But for the rest, you must have been out of luck :

- tax reduction schemes are a no brainer, you just have to justify once a year that you are doing something in relation with R&D, and there are too lots of ways to get some government grant to help start your business

- french entrepreneurs are from a lot of different origins. Of course you will find and some rich people creating companies, but most of the people creating companies here are taking real risks and don't have large amount of cash to back them if they fail

- seed investment is not difficult at all, and government grants are here too to help save your shares, even better that seed .

I am telling this as a cofounder of Stupeflix, the company behind Replay, app of the year on the Apple App Store, and proudly based in Paris for 6 years now.

EDIT: sorry for my English, it's not my native language, but I am trying hard to learn it...

Re: ParisIsBack – The Paris Tech Guide

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It's very hard to live in Paris if you are not fluent in French... Or you're doomed to live amongst ex-pats, which defeats the purpose of the experience.

No its not. Paris is the most touristic city in the world. You can be perfectly fine if you don't speak word of french.

Although Paris is the most visited city in the world. It also has a reputation amongst the global cities as being unfriendly. Enough that the Paris Tourist Board and Chamber of Commerce have launched a campaign to educate service workers on treating tourists better. Tourists also do not spend as much money in Paris. It is number 3 in that regard. This is likely due to Paris' centralized position. It may more likely be a stop-through on the way to a visitors' final destination.

You can be perfectly fine on English in almost any large city in the world, but there is more of a friction in Paris when interacting in English than in many other European capitals.

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