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Re: On Interviewing as a Junior Dev

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Post by nvarsj »

xixixao wrote: post #30
peteretep wrote: post #9

That's a pretty impressive starting salary range for a junior. a) You must have interviewed exceptionally well, and be in practice "not really" a junior (which would imply Ada are doing an incredible job, and is freakin' awesome), or be bringing to bear some other skills and/or b) Salary range where you are is broken You said the range you got offered was $75-$95, which in Great British Pounds is £47-£60,000, and I'v…

This is purely UK vs US difference: From my experience, companies in the US can pay over $100k to fresh graduates. The same companies pay 30% less in the UK. So the $95k translates to $40k, which is what you'd expect.

Starting out, yeah, but generally in the UK experienced guys go into contracting - which pays similar to top US rates. Thats what I ended up doing after moving here a year ago. My take home pay doubled. That includes a month of vacation, and 7.5 hr days.

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Post by gambiting »

peteretep wrote: post #9

That's a pretty impressive starting salary range for a junior. a) You must have interviewed exceptionally well, and be in practice "not really" a junior (which would imply Ada are doing an incredible job, and is freakin' awesome), or be bringing to bear some other skills and/or b) Salary range where you are is broken You said the range you got offered was $75-$95, which in Great British Pounds is £47-£60,000, and I'v…

I am a junior C++ programmer and I make ~27k USD/year in the UK. Those salaries in US make me question myself what I am doing with my life(but then again, I have mandatory 25 days of paid leave a year + unlimited sick days + free healhcare + have no student debt, so maybe it's not that bad )

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Post by hereonbusiness »

forrestthewoods wrote: post #8

$95,000 for someone with 6 months school + 6 month internship is fucking insane. Holy shit!

I guess that would be the gross salary. What would be the typical net salary for someone who earns that much in SF or Seattle after taxes and deductions (health insurance, ...)?

Re: On Interviewing as a Junior Dev

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Post by tomlock »

Perdition wrote: post #19
tomlock wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately, our culture generally views sport as a male domain. While you and I are probably aware that there's nothing intrinsically "male" about sport, it can feel a little weird for someone to treat you as if your understanding is aligned with the gendered assumption. Anyone, if they don't understand the rules of the game, could still ask what they are. Would you feel weird if someone assumed you knew the rules…

>Not using a different challenge Like what? Even something like maths can be claimed to be "viewed generally as a male domain". And once you start accounting for ethnicity and social background I think you would find it incredibly difficult to come up with something that had no possibly offensive cultural baggage. Actually, maybe the challenge could be to design a challenge that was neutral. P.S. Considering soccer's…

We may very well find it very difficult to come up with something that has no possibly offensive cultural baggage. Do you think soccer was one where someone made even an attempt to mitigate that baggage?

Re: On Interviewing as a Junior Dev

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Post by MrDosu »

throwaway9121 wrote: post #68

You'd have to be crazy to hire this person. Let's check the boxes. ✓ Post dripping with entitlement ✓ Arrogantly rejects companies for reasons such as being located an an unhip suburb ✓ Finds offense in almost anything that happens in an interview ✓ Degree in Ethnography ✓ 6 month feminist coding bootcamp ✓ 6 month failed internship ✓ Fluffed up github with virtually no actual code The lines of code to sexual harassm…

What got me is the drawing on the CV. That looked so amateurish I felt ashamed from afar. Nothing against ones art, but when putting it on the CV it should be at least mediocre.

Re: On Interviewing as a Junior Dev

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Post by tomlock »

butwhy wrote: post #13
tomlock wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whether you like it or not people make assumptions about other people based on their gender. Companies that are sensitive to that fact are less likely to pose code challenges that align with a common assumption about gender, which aligns with the gender of the majority of developers. They are also less likely to ask questions that also reflect that assumption. For this developer, this code challenge was a red flag.

There is absolutely no basis for that claim in this particular case. I'd expect them to ask all candidates if they understand the scenario, regardless of sex. But guess what? We have absolutely no idea because there is no data on it. As such, it is totally unjustified to call an employer "belittling and sexist" purely because they asked a single candidate if they understood something related to their code challenge.

It is quite interesting to me that you say we don't know what we'd expect the interviewers to do in this scenario. The applicant didn't either (and they state that), and in this case, the interviewer's lack of knowledge about the applicant's possible perceptions betrayed a lack of sensitivity to such topics. This was a red flag.

Re: On Interviewing as a Junior Dev

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

jarek wrote: post #66
switch007 wrote: post #64

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I hear this a lot from my foreign friends. It's 2014 and even Ryanair don't sell £20 return flights any more (£30-40 is pushing it. E.g LGW-DUB in Feb is £40). Also, the Eurozone isn't all that cheap any more. Prior to 2008, £1 bought you 1.4-1.5 EUR. Since then it's typically been between 1.1 and 1.3 EUR. And prices have risen all over Europe. Even if you found a £20 flight, it'll be the cheapest part of the trip! I…

I meant one way prices. To my Canadian ears £40 one way is still very cheap. Berlin, £50 round trip in March, £40 in January. Copenhagen, £50 in March. BCN, £50. Porto, £58. Stansted Express, round trip 30 days in advance, £16. Baggage fees, why? For a week or less, even the aggressive easyJet carryon size is sufficient. Lunch at the airport... it's like you're trying to make a trip expensive. Food... yep, you'll hav…

From SEA, you have the whole west coast at your doorstep, but you'll need a car and time to enjoy it. It's also a good place to get to Beijing or Tokyo, though it won't usually be cheap.

After spending 4+ hours in an immigration line the last time I went to London via heathrow, I am probably never visiting there again.

Re: On Interviewing as a Junior Dev

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Post by tomlock »

throwaway9121 wrote: post #68

You'd have to be crazy to hire this person. Let's check the boxes. ✓ Post dripping with entitlement ✓ Arrogantly rejects companies for reasons such as being located an an unhip suburb ✓ Finds offense in almost anything that happens in an interview ✓ Degree in Ethnography ✓ 6 month feminist coding bootcamp ✓ 6 month failed internship ✓ Fluffed up github with virtually no actual code The lines of code to sexual harassm…

If you remove the "6 month feminist coding bootcamp" line, this post could be mistaken for a summary of the career of a young Steve Jobs. Hopefully this developer has found a company where she isn't harassed by sneering bros, and then actually has the time to write some code.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

hereonbusiness wrote: post #73
forrestthewoods wrote: post #8

$95,000 for someone with 6 months school + 6 month internship is fucking insane. Holy shit!

I guess that would be the gross salary. What would be the typical net salary for someone who earns that much in SF or Seattle after taxes and deductions (health insurance, ...)?

Employers usually provide health insurance at that pay level. Your take home in Seattle will be whatever you make minus federal and payroll taxes, so around 60%.

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Post by jarek »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #77
jarek wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I meant one way prices. To my Canadian ears £40 one way is still very cheap. Berlin, £50 round trip in March, £40 in January. Copenhagen, £50 in March. BCN, £50. Porto, £58. Stansted Express, round trip 30 days in advance, £16. Baggage fees, why? For a week or less, even the aggressive easyJet carryon size is sufficient. Lunch at the airport... it's like you're trying to make a trip expensive. Food... yep, you'll hav…

From SEA, you have the whole west coast at your doorstep, but you'll need a car and time to enjoy it. It's also a good place to get to Beijing or Tokyo, though it won't usually be cheap. After spending 4+ hours in an immigration line the last time I went to London via heathrow, I am probably never visiting there again.

> From SEA, you have the whole west coast at your doorstep, but you'll need a car and time to enjoy it

Well luckily you'll have lots of time off from your Amazosoft job... What's the most exciting weekend city break out of Seattle, Portland? SF if you fly, and the selection tapers off after that. Weekend breaks are a lot more fun when you choose from 20 places to fly to for under a hundred.

> After spending 4+ hours in an immigration line the last time I went to London via heathrow, I am probably never visiting there again.

Heathrow is fast with EU passport, though as it happens I agree regarding London as a tourism destination

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