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The Fatal Pinch

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Re: The Fatal Pinch

#41

Is becoming ramen-profitable before you raise your first round a possible solution to this problem?

I think the key lesson here, is you need to be in a position where failing to raise more money does not kill your company.

So if you can convince your entire team to eat ramen for an indefinite period of time between your first raise, and your second raise, you would have "solved" this problem for some definition of solved.

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> I try to resist coining phrases

Is this because you feel it's pretentious to do so?

I feel like having a concise name for a concept is one of the most important steps to broad understanding of it and always try to come up with good names for concepts that I want to be able to talk to people about. You might be doing us a bit of a disservice by resisting this.

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The climate has changed in that it's easier for startups to raise more, but even those that do not can still be very successful. Justin.tv or Weebly would not require any more money to start today than they did six years ago -- if anything it's gotten cheaper.

I remember David from Weebly noting that they narrowly avoided the pinch by becoming profitable (circa 2009?) Now AFAIK they are kicking ass.

Yes, the Weebly story is amazing. He covered part of it at Startup School a few years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_b228qEVi8

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"Although your product may not be very appealing yet, if you're a startup your programmers will often be way better than the ones your customers have or can hire." Is this really true? I'm very sceptical. Does anyone have any evidence to back this up?

Actually, it's more like this. There are good programmers in the enterprise (meaning, say, investment banks or large corporations or governments) but they generally fall, ambition-wise, into one of three categories: (1) those who want to become managers or software architects (or, in finance, quants and traders) and will define and oversee work but delegate the dirty bits. This would be fixable (they could oversee a…

No, that's not what the money is for. The money compensates inventory, scheduling, and delivery risk. It does not compensate developers for working on mundane projects. If the developer in question gets a W2 paycheck, odds are they're not seeing anything like 4x what the in-house people are seeing.

And, while I do buy that all three of these developer archetypes exist in the real world, I do not buy that they are the reason that companies don't deploy talent aggressively to upgrade "support services". Rather, companies make straightforward buy-vs-build decisions based on whether projects are part of the focus of the business or not.

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This is why I hate investing in startups raising $500k or less. You won't be able to raise again unless you have significant upwards progress.

Several of my best investments have been from startups raising less than $500k. Justin.tv/Twitch returned 97x my original investment, and Weebly will likely be even more.

As I get farther along in development I realize the cost and time to becoming profitable and break-even is smaller and smaller than I originally expected. It may slow down development if taking smaller investment, however from my experience so far being forced to move slower has its benefits - perhaps including less dilution.

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Isn't the problem that the founders have to spend like drunken sailors to show "traction" to have any chance of getting more funding while their investors give them so little money that the runway is then incredibly short? There is very little room for error here.

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Without some revenue, every company is on a direct course for disaster - by default. I think that the first pitfall some make is to look at investment money as revenue, cash coming in. But its a big giant fallacy.. it is not money from normal operations. Until you sell a product and have money coming in from it you are on borrowed time. This can be intentional and calculated position of building a product and bringing it to market when it is ready, but I get the impression that many don't plan or execute their way out of this fast enough.

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Isn't the problem that the founders have to spend like drunken sailors to show "traction" to have any chance of getting more funding while their investors give them so little money that the runway is then incredibly short? There is very little room for error here.

If you operate as if every round of financing you get is your last, it is irrational to waste investor money to fake traction. One view of the lifecycle of startups is that companies that try to do that have already lost the game; they're predicating their success on future financing rounds.
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