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Re: Plan 9 from Bell Labs

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Always good to check out 9front if you plan on using plan9: new drivers, filesystem, more utilities. Homepage: https://code.google.com/p/plan9front/ Releases: http://9times.cat-v.org/

With such fun utilities as... bullshit(1) (print out a stream of bullshit) feminize(1) (replace sexist remarks) theo(1) (print out insults from Theo de Raadt) troll(1) (automated trolling) # same as theo(1) it looks like derp looks useful.

Things like that they should call it stormfront instead of plan9front.

Re: Plan 9 from Bell Labs

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Yeah, but that makes sense at the OS level. UX-wise (and generally speaking, for most common uses of a computer these days), Plan9 is, sadly, almost useless. I myself only use it because I _like_ messing about with different (and arguably better) operating systems, but it's very, very, VERY hard to do so for general "work" or even browsing the web.

I've considered spending time on plan 9 making the UX less crappy. I think the stuff under the covers is fantastic but the UX is not great. The three button mouse thing is pretty stupid, for one.

But how do you 'paste' without a middle button? That's the bit I miss most when I have to use a 2-button mouse. Thank god the guys who invented the scroll-mouse had the sense to build the middle-button into the scroll-wheel axle.

Re: Plan 9 from Bell Labs

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I've considered spending time on plan 9 making the UX less crappy. I think the stuff under the covers is fantastic but the UX is not great. The three button mouse thing is pretty stupid, for one.

But how do you 'paste' without a middle button? That's the bit I miss most when I have to use a 2-button mouse. Thank god the guys who invented the scroll-mouse had the sense to build the middle-button into the scroll-wheel axle.

I'm not against a three-button mouse, I'm against its overuse. Example: in plan9, you can't hit "up" to re-use the last command you typed into a terminal. You have to copy+paste it with your mouse.

Re: Plan 9 from Bell Labs

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Can someone explain why Plan 9 matters? I mean this legitimately. How is this differentiated from yet another flavor of *nix? I'm sure it was hot shit back in the early 90s, but I don't see much of an appeal other than as a curiosity like OS/2.

Re: Plan 9 from Bell Labs

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Can someone explain why Plan 9 matters? I mean this legitimately. How is this differentiated from yet another flavor of *nix? I'm sure it was hot shit back in the early 90s, but I don't see much of an appeal other than as a curiosity like OS/2.

It's more *nix than unix. Everything is a file. UI interaction is done via files. It doesn't cut corners at it - it takes it to the extreme.

It is the logical successor to unix that never took off because unix is "good enough"

Re: Plan 9 from Bell Labs

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> I love wmii. It's the primary reason I resent OS X. Huh? What's the relationship?

OSX fundamentally doesn't support robust tiling window managers. they exist only as a pale shadow of the real thing.

You can run any linux window manager directly on os x... of course you're stuck running only *nix programs then

Re: Plan 9 from Bell Labs

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> I love wmii. It's the primary reason I resent OS X. Huh? What's the relationship?

OSX fundamentally doesn't support robust tiling window managers. they exist only as a pale shadow of the real thing.

True, but Amethyst[0] comes pretty close for my personal taste.

[0] https://github.com/ianyh/Amethyst

Re: Plan 9 from Bell Labs

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Can someone explain why Plan 9 matters? I mean this legitimately. How is this differentiated from yet another flavor of *nix? I'm sure it was hot shit back in the early 90s, but I don't see much of an appeal other than as a curiosity like OS/2.

Lots of interesting concepts that solve security problems like everyone getting their own filesystem namespaces: /tmp looks unique to every user.

Access everything like a local filesystem: ftp, ssh, etc. it's all built-in and just works.

Re: Plan 9 from Bell Labs

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Always good to check out 9front if you plan on using plan9: new drivers, filesystem, more utilities. Homepage: https://code.google.com/p/plan9front/ Releases: http://9times.cat-v.org/

Watch the video on that homepage. It is fantastic. Clarke and Dawe still make videos like that.
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