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Re: Plan 9 from Bell Labs

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> I love wmii. It's the primary reason I resent OS X. Huh? What's the relationship?

OSX fundamentally doesn't support robust tiling window managers. they exist only as a pale shadow of the real thing.

Isn't that the same case as Windows, BeOS, Android, iOS, PalmOS, etc?... I was wondering why OSX was explicitly called out.

Re: Plan 9 from Bell Labs

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> I love wmii. It's the primary reason I resent OS X. Huh? What's the relationship?

OSX fundamentally doesn't support robust tiling window managers. they exist only as a pale shadow of the real thing.

Moom is pretty handy, though.

Re: Plan 9 from Bell Labs

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Please don't. As a Pythonista turned LISPer, I've heard all that stuff before. What is pretty stupid is being unable to use Plan9 on a modern laptop with a trackpad -- again, check my comments on previous Plan9 posts.

http://www.jonschneider.com/images/jsblog/ThinkpadTrackpoint... works for me! btw, you can simulate mb 2 and 3 by holding down keyboard modifiers while clicking mb1.

Well, then, I'll just go and get rid of my Macs. And the Magic Trackpads I use on my desktops, too.

Not really, no.

Re: Plan 9 from Bell Labs

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Does OpenGL a work on Plan 9? If so, combined with the ability to run Go code, a lot can be done.

no - but i wrote a direct translation of libdraw to go, which works. note that i am talking about actual plan 9 libdraw, not plan9port's devdraw program.

Re: Plan 9 from Bell Labs

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As an interface designer Plan9 have always fascinated me yet I found it incredible hard to find many other designers who were into it's concepts. I always loved the "everything is an object" approach and in a better world this not NeXT or Windows would be our underlying principle.

You may be interested in wmii [1], a tiling WM which is inspired by Plan 9 and uses 9P. 1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wmii

Very interesting thank you!

Re: Plan 9 from Bell Labs

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I quite like sam, from what I've tried so far. I think it's an interesting take on ed (but I much prefer acme) I still have "learn basic ed (or sam)" as a far-away goal (always pushed down my todo list, since knowing the commands is not enough: using them is what gives power)

This is the best writeup I've seen so far on getting comfortable with ed: http://blog.sanctum.geek.nz/actually-using-ed/

That was great, thanks! I'd never played with ed before but as a vim user it was pretty easy to follow without having to think too much. I knew it was an ancestor but never knew it was so similar.

Re: Plan 9 from Bell Labs

#39

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OSX fundamentally doesn't support robust tiling window managers. they exist only as a pale shadow of the real thing.

Isn't that the same case as Windows, BeOS, Android, iOS, PalmOS, etc?... I was wondering why OSX was explicitly called out.

OSX has a larger userbase of Plan9 fans, I think, including a number who run plan9port on it (Rob Pike has said that he uses such a setup). So the bits that you can't get Plan9-ish might rankle someone. Windows isn't any better, but there aren't many people trying to make Windows feel anything like Plan9 in the first place, so nobody's too disappointed about it.

Re: Plan 9 from Bell Labs

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I love wmii. It's the primary reason I resent OS X.

> I love wmii. It's the primary reason I resent OS X. Huh? What's the relationship?

Presumably it's a sort of sideways/backhanded almost-compliment to OS X: it works well enough comparatively that its plusses overwhelm its negatives for the commenter. But, they still wish it supported more flexibility; and the fact it doesn't (and yet its plusses nevertheless still compare favorably enough to its minuses that the commenter continues to use it) leads to a sort of feeling of dissatisfaction and resentment.
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