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Re: Plan 9 from Bell Labs

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You may be interested in wmii [1], a tiling WM which is inspired by Plan 9 and uses 9P. 1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wmii

I love wmii. It's the primary reason I resent OS X.

> I love wmii. It's the primary reason I resent OS X.

Huh? What's the relationship?

Re: Plan 9 from Bell Labs

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I've always been fascinated by Plan9 and in particular the strict adherence to everything being a file. It seems like it works so well and makes administration much easier, and I wonder why it has been pushed for more in other OS's.

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Has anyone used Plan-9 have feedback on running it?

You can check my other comments for more, but a couple of old-time UNIX folk I know described it as being dropped into a bare X11 environment with twm, a flint knife, and the Acme editor. Acme is amazing, but the whole thing uses mouse chording and requires a 3-button mouse, so it requires a lot of getting used to if you're newer to computers than, say, 1990. In general, Plan9 delivers on being "a better UNIX" in ter…

Relevant SSH bashing: http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/ssh :)

Re: Plan 9 from Bell Labs

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Always good to check out 9front if you plan on using plan9: new drivers, filesystem, more utilities. Homepage: https://code.google.com/p/plan9front/ Releases: http://9times.cat-v.org/

With such fun utilities as...

    bullshit(1) (print out a stream of bullshit)
    feminize(1) (replace sexist remarks)
    theo(1) (print out insults from Theo de Raadt)
    troll(1) (automated trolling) # same as theo(1) it looks like
derp looks useful.

Re: Plan 9 from Bell Labs

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Yeah, but that makes sense at the OS level. UX-wise (and generally speaking, for most common uses of a computer these days), Plan9 is, sadly, almost useless. I myself only use it because I _like_ messing about with different (and arguably better) operating systems, but it's very, very, VERY hard to do so for general "work" or even browsing the web.

I've considered spending time on plan 9 making the UX less crappy. I think the stuff under the covers is fantastic but the UX is not great. The three button mouse thing is pretty stupid, for one.

The three button mouse thing is pretty stupid, for one.

"All those parentheses in Lisp are pretty stupid, for one."

Considering that the Plan 9 UI fundamentally revolves around mouse chording, I wish you luck with that. It's a shame that Unix users are stuck in the keyboard-only mentality that they write off the mouse as some tool for lowly end users.

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I've considered spending time on plan 9 making the UX less crappy. I think the stuff under the covers is fantastic but the UX is not great. The three button mouse thing is pretty stupid, for one.

The three button mouse thing is pretty stupid, for one. "All those parentheses in Lisp are pretty stupid, for one." Considering that the Plan 9 UI fundamentally revolves around mouse chording, I wish you luck with that. It's a shame that Unix users are stuck in the keyboard-only mentality that they write off the mouse as some tool for lowly end users.

Please don't. As a Pythonista turned LISPer, I've heard all that stuff before. What is pretty stupid is being unable to use Plan9 on a modern laptop with a trackpad -- again, check my comments on previous Plan9 posts.

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I love wmii. It's the primary reason I resent OS X.

> I love wmii. It's the primary reason I resent OS X. Huh? What's the relationship?

Presumably the fact that you're tied into using Apple's window manager. But that's really loose and I don't totally understand why it merited being mentioned either, haha.

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I love wmii. It's the primary reason I resent OS X.

> I love wmii. It's the primary reason I resent OS X. Huh? What's the relationship?

OSX fundamentally doesn't support robust tiling window managers. they exist only as a pale shadow of the real thing.

Re: Plan 9 from Bell Labs

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The three button mouse thing is pretty stupid, for one. "All those parentheses in Lisp are pretty stupid, for one." Considering that the Plan 9 UI fundamentally revolves around mouse chording, I wish you luck with that. It's a shame that Unix users are stuck in the keyboard-only mentality that they write off the mouse as some tool for lowly end users.

Please don't. As a Pythonista turned LISPer, I've heard all that stuff before. What is pretty stupid is being unable to use Plan9 on a modern laptop with a trackpad -- again, check my comments on previous Plan9 posts.

http://www.jonschneider.com/images/jsblog/ThinkpadTrackpoint...

works for me!

btw, you can simulate mb 2 and 3 by holding down keyboard modifiers while clicking mb1.

Re: Plan 9 from Bell Labs

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I love how decent of a chunk Github's code identifier seems to think is Javascript. On a related note, has Plan9 been rewritten in Javascript yet, and if not, why are you slacking?!

I think they're waiting for the Rust port to be done first.

Rust? Don't you mean go?
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