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Wireless in Gaza: the young entrepreneurs beating the blockades

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Re: Wireless in Gaza: the young entrepreneurs beating the blockades

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Post by pavlov »

ars wrote: post #2

It's interesting that even during the height of the recent Gaza war Israel maintained the Internet connections to Gaza. May increased communication and ventures like the article mention bring Gazans the democracy they desperately need.

Are you sure that the Internet connection to Gaza goes through Israel?

I would have assumed that it's via Egypt instead, as Gaza has a land border there as well.

Re: Wireless in Gaza: the young entrepreneurs beating the blockades

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Post by hrasyid »

pavlov wrote: post #4
ars wrote: post #2

It's interesting that even during the height of the recent Gaza war Israel maintained the Internet connections to Gaza. May increased communication and ventures like the article mention bring Gazans the democracy they desperately need.

Are you sure that the Internet connection to Gaza goes through Israel? I would have assumed that it's via Egypt instead, as Gaza has a land border there as well.

Yeah and the Egyptian regime is more interested in providing internet to Gazans than Israel?

Actually, I'm curious, how does Gaza get its internet? Any source/reference mentioning this?

Re: Wireless in Gaza: the young entrepreneurs beating the blockades

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Post by pete_b »

pavlov wrote: post #4
ars wrote: post #2

It's interesting that even during the height of the recent Gaza war Israel maintained the Internet connections to Gaza. May increased communication and ventures like the article mention bring Gazans the democracy they desperately need.

Are you sure that the Internet connection to Gaza goes through Israel? I would have assumed that it's via Egypt instead, as Gaza has a land border there as well.

Eygpt also has a blockade at its border with Gaza.

Must be something to do with the terrorists that run Gaza, and were voted in by the populace.

Re: Wireless in Gaza: the young entrepreneurs beating the blockades

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Post by aidos »

hrasyid wrote: post #5
pavlov wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you sure that the Internet connection to Gaza goes through Israel? I would have assumed that it's via Egypt instead, as Gaza has a land border there as well.

Yeah and the Egyptian regime is more interested in providing internet to Gazans than Israel? Actually, I'm curious, how does Gaza get its internet? Any source/reference mentioning this?

The wikipedia page [0] claims that there are 4 ISPs providing internet in Gaza.

I believe that in the case of electricity, Israel is obliged to provide power to the region under international law (since they control its borders).

[0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip

Re: Wireless in Gaza: the young entrepreneurs beating the blockades

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Post by aidos »

pete_b wrote: post #6
pavlov wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you sure that the Internet connection to Gaza goes through Israel? I would have assumed that it's via Egypt instead, as Gaza has a land border there as well.

Eygpt also has a blockade at its border with Gaza. Must be something to do with the terrorists that run Gaza, and were voted in by the populace.

I'm going to downvote you because my sarcasm meter isn't functioning properly this morning and your comment is going to end up derailing a useful piece on a promising new startup culture in Gaza.

Re: Wireless in Gaza: the young entrepreneurs beating the blockades

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Post by waps »

pavlov wrote: post #4
ars wrote: post #2

It's interesting that even during the height of the recent Gaza war Israel maintained the Internet connections to Gaza. May increased communication and ventures like the article mention bring Gazans the democracy they desperately need.

Are you sure that the Internet connection to Gaza goes through Israel? I would have assumed that it's via Egypt instead, as Gaza has a land border there as well.

All online articles seem to indicate it goes through Israel :

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/20/israel-gaza-interne...

But the problem for the internet in the Gaza strip is not Israel:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamization_of_the_Gaza_Strip#...

Now please keep in mind that "democratization" won't help. Over half of Gazans want this (and want to kill people who try to fix it - that seems to be what sharia ("the path of islam") demands). Democracy will make it worse.

There seems to be a huge misconception here. On a large scale, and on average (NOT talking about any individuals here, just "average" human behavior), people who have been hurt don't want help. They don't want to help. They want to hurt others in the same way they were hurt. People who were beaten by their parents, on average, beat their children. People who come out of abusive homes in general, are abusive spouses. People who live in violence, become violent.

This makes sense if you consider what algorithm the human mind must be running. One quickly arrives at the conclusion can only be an imitation algorithm (ie. what you do is copied from a past experience of what you saw someone else do), probably coupled with reinforcement learning and generalization mechanisms.

This of course means something really, really bad for places like the Gaza strip. Left to their own devices, they will only sink deeper into their obsession, and become ever more abusive and restrictive until they literally start dying or at least completely stagnate. There is no way out that doesn't involve blowing up their state, and going against the wishes of the large majority of their population. Not, of course, the way Israel is doing that.

Re: Wireless in Gaza: the young entrepreneurs beating the blockades

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Post by smcl »

aidos wrote: post #7
hrasyid wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah and the Egyptian regime is more interested in providing internet to Gazans than Israel? Actually, I'm curious, how does Gaza get its internet? Any source/reference mentioning this?

The wikipedia page [0] claims that there are 4 ISPs providing internet in Gaza. I believe that in the case of electricity, Israel is obliged to provide power to the region under international law (since they control its borders). [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip

Not to get too political\opinionated but Israel does not have a particularly strong reputation for respecting international laws regarding Palestine (West Bank or Gaza) which makes it even more surprising if they continued to supply power.
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