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Barack Obama gets Nobel's Peace Prize

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Re: Barack Obama gets Nobel's Peace Prize

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Post by kyro »

mingdingo wrote: post #17
tomjen2 wrote: post #8

He didn't deserve that - he haven't even closed gitmo yet.

It does seem awfully fast, but for what it's worth: 1) He banned torture (waterboarding) 2) He wants to close Guantanamo. I know he hasn't done it yet, but it can't be easy. 3) He's willing to negotiate with Iran without pre-conditions 4) He's actually trying to push for a Middle East peace deal, and is being vocal about settlements 5) He wants a world without nukes. 6) He didn't put the missile shield near Russia, s…

You do realize that 4 out of those 6 things you listed are nothing more than his desires and wishes, and number 6 is giving him credit for not doing something? Hell, I have at least 50 wishes to make the world better, and a list twice that long of things I haven't done.

Re: Barack Obama gets Nobel's Peace Prize

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Post by mingdingo »

lionhearted wrote: post #19
mingdingo wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It does seem awfully fast, but for what it's worth: 1) He banned torture (waterboarding) 2) He wants to close Guantanamo. I know he hasn't done it yet, but it can't be easy. 3) He's willing to negotiate with Iran without pre-conditions 4) He's actually trying to push for a Middle East peace deal, and is being vocal about settlements 5) He wants a world without nukes. 6) He didn't put the missile shield near Russia, s…

Said differently: Wants: To close a nasty illegal prison, but hasn't yet. Talked to some people. Wants less nukes in the world. Didn't build a defense system. Did: Re-banned torture, in accordance with international law. Result: Nobel peace prize.

You have to remember, it's a big deal for the leader of a Superpower.

In a vacuum, these things don't sound so great. In today's world, they actually are. Obviously there's something wrong with that, but that's just the way it is.

Re: Barack Obama gets Nobel's Peace Prize

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Post by tsally »

romanm wrote: post #20
davidw wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This sort of commentary is why we avoid politics here.

Hi David, I wasn't the first to start this thread but once it was started I am adding comments that are relative to the context.

No one here is going to defend Glen Beck, so at best it would just be a one-sided conversation congratulating ourselves for realizing how irrational he is. This doesn't seem like a productive use of anyone's time.

Re: Barack Obama gets Nobel's Peace Prize

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Post by lionhearted »

mingdingo wrote: post #23
lionhearted wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Said differently: Wants: To close a nasty illegal prison, but hasn't yet. Talked to some people. Wants less nukes in the world. Didn't build a defense system. Did: Re-banned torture, in accordance with international law. Result: Nobel peace prize.

You have to remember, it's a big deal for the leader of a Superpower. In a vacuum, these things don't sound so great. In today's world, they actually are. Obviously there's something wrong with that, but that's just the way it is.

> You have to remember, it's a big deal for the leader of a Superpower.

Dude, Bush invaded two countries for no particular good reason. Clinton jumped into the middle of a backwards country's tribal civil war to draw attention away from his personal life. Obama can't close a fucking prison? Seriously.

Re: Barack Obama gets Nobel's Peace Prize

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Post by jacquesm »

tsally wrote: post #9

Gandhi died before he was awarded the Peace Prize, even though he was nominated five times. Obama gets it less than a year into his Presidency? I like Obama, but that's just wrong.

Yep. It should be a prize for achievement, not for intentions.

The Nobel Prize has just devalued considerably.

Re: Barack Obama gets Nobel's Peace Prize

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Post by david927 »

mingdingo wrote: post #17
tomjen2 wrote: post #8

He didn't deserve that - he haven't even closed gitmo yet.

It does seem awfully fast, but for what it's worth: 1) He banned torture (waterboarding) 2) He wants to close Guantanamo. I know he hasn't done it yet, but it can't be easy. 3) He's willing to negotiate with Iran without pre-conditions 4) He's actually trying to push for a Middle East peace deal, and is being vocal about settlements 5) He wants a world without nukes. 6) He didn't put the missile shield near Russia, s…

2) He wants to close Guantanamo. I know he hasn't done it yet, but it can't be easy.

It's not about being easy or hard, but about the gigantic class action civil suit awaiting the U.S. government the minute they release them.

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