Bitrig 1.0 Released – OpenBSD fork • Hacker News Board

Re: Bitrig 1.0 Released – OpenBSD fork

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Post by clarry » Fri, Dec 05, 2014, 11:46 AM UTC

illumen wrote: post #24

hhw wrote: post #9

There was a discussion about this on the OpenBSD misc mailing archives back in 2012: http://marc.info/?t=133961305400003&r=1&w=2 Theo's initial response to the thread, which may help illuminate the situation, was: "Except for the fact that it is bullshit. They started the fork because they got kicked out because one developer (Marco) hired 5 other developers for his startup company, and attempted to hire around 10 ot…

I don't like that this gossip thread from a few years ago is at the top. People come to Hackernews for entertainment (including me), but I still don't like it. Mainly I'm here so I can learn things, and see what other people are doing. The gossip side of things is sort of annoying. It's much more interesting to compare the development process of the groups, and how the two groups will help each other. I always though…

> I always thought if OpenBSD had modern development tools and processes

I just don't understand this attitude. Git and Clang or GCC 4.bleedingedge.something don't write the code for you. Is having to commit to an older VCS really that high a barrier to entry for developers? Because if it is, that makes me suspicious of their skills and focus.

Re: Bitrig 1.0 Released – OpenBSD fork

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Post by clarry » Fri, Dec 05, 2014, 11:49 AM UTC

masklinn wrote: post #25

Danieru wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Forking is the way of the BSDs. The BSD style is to develop the userland along with the kernel. Thus where Linux has multiple distro families BSD has full userland and kernel forks.

That doesn't explain why you'd start from OpenBSD.

The people who started the fork are ex OpenBSD developers. It makes all the sense.

Why wouldn't they start with what they already know, find good, and are happy to work on?

Re: Bitrig 1.0 Released – OpenBSD fork

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Post by chaz72 » Fri, Dec 05, 2014, 5:58 PM UTC

Will OpenBSD look to pull from their updated C++ libraries?

Re: Bitrig 1.0 Released – OpenBSD fork

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Post by protomyth » Fri, Dec 05, 2014, 6:58 PM UTC

calvin_ wrote: post #28

protomyth wrote: post #13

Aren't there some compiler additions to GCC that OpenBSD relies on that haven't made it into LLVM/clang?

well, support for VAX might be one

I was thinking -fstack-shuffle and its related changes

Re: Bitrig 1.0 Released – OpenBSD fork

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Post by and0r » Sat, Dec 06, 2014, 12:36 AM UTC

illumen wrote: post #24

hhw wrote: post #9

There was a discussion about this on the OpenBSD misc mailing archives back in 2012: http://marc.info/?t=133961305400003&r=1&w=2 Theo's initial response to the thread, which may help illuminate the situation, was: "Except for the fact that it is bullshit. They started the fork because they got kicked out because one developer (Marco) hired 5 other developers for his startup company, and attempted to hire around 10 ot…

I don't like that this gossip thread from a few years ago is at the top. People come to Hackernews for entertainment (including me), but I still don't like it. Mainly I'm here so I can learn things, and see what other people are doing. The gossip side of things is sort of annoying. It's much more interesting to compare the development process of the groups, and how the two groups will help each other. I always though…

Wow, do you honestly believe anyone cares about your opinions? You seem diluted and full of yourself to seriously take any amount of time in writing such a worthless response.

The information here is relevant and quite important, friend, please take all your jelly-mad asspain somewhere else kiddo.

Re: Bitrig 1.0 Released – OpenBSD fork

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Post by synchronise » Sat, Dec 06, 2014, 1:30 AM UTC

Bluerise wrote: post #6

Bitrig developer here, feel free to shoot questions!

When will you guys be working on implementing jails or another containerisation solution?

Pretty much every other major OS out there like GNU/Linux, FreeBSD and Solaris offer some sort of solution like that, but OpenBSD and co sadly do not.

Something like that would give me a good deal of motivation to switch.

Re: Bitrig 1.0 Released – OpenBSD fork

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Post by chrismsnz » Sun, Dec 07, 2014, 8:23 AM UTC

debacle wrote: post #2

Why did they decide to fork OpenBSD?

If I had to take a guess...

It'd be easier to carefully add specific features to a well-designed and secure codebase such as OpenBSD, rather than try and pare down and audit the huge codebase and large amount of features provided by something like FreeBSD.