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Re: How to Get a Quant Job in Finance

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I do see URL www.localmeze.com but I see no e-mail. When I do the same click on my Hacker News user name, then, yes, I see a line for my e-mail but the line (a text box ) is empty because I haven't given my e-mail to HN. What's going on I don't know.

I did not realize that the email is not publicly displayed. I have put in the about section now. hn At machine.imap.cc

Just sent to

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Re: How to Get a Quant Job in Finance

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Sounds like you'd have been a much better fit for Renaissance Technologies than Goldman.

I heard that at GS Rubin pushed algorithmic trading . Sure, would've been great to have met Simons. Heck, I never got around to working in differential geometry but at one time did get the notes of S. S. Chern! And once tried to understand a seminar of an A. Gleason student! But I did cover exterior algebra, from both Fleming and Spivak. Now I have Cartan's book, now in English! I have no idea just what Simons did to…

Really, then, a technical person with some valuable technical work should just start their own business.

Precisely. You've correctly identified the irrational non-technical prejudice the financial industry may have towards someone such as yourself. The only solution is to become their competitor. You'd be surprised how easy it is to beat incompetent corporations at their own game. If it can be done with multi-stage rockets, it can be done with hedge funds.

Hence why we're all united here as fans of PG's essays on HN. Welcome aboard, and god speed in your entrepreneurial ventures.

Re: How to Get a Quant Job in Finance

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> How can you reconcile the opportunity cost to society [...] There are two fine institutions that may help with this: taxation and charity. If you earn a lot of money, then you pay a lot of taxes and can afford to give a lot away. Everyone likes to complain about taxation, but it's what turns a free market full of individuals and corporations all (to a good first approximation) trying to maximize their own wealth in…

If the financial job in question is an exact zero sum job (with 0 social value), then neither taxation nor charity would help at all, because essentially while doing your job you're already causing a negative value to someone else. And even if you give always ALL your wealth, you'd just return those wealth back to society. In essence, after a lot of shuffling of wealth around, you still didn't contribute anything. (A…

Doubtless there are roles within the financial industry deserving of the "vampire squid" label in social impact, but I'd expect them to be fairly obviously unethical if not outright illegal on inspection (deceptive sales of risky exotic derivatives comes to mind). Quantitative pricing of exchange-traded products (e.g. HFT) is much harder to argue against, IMO. To me it seems like a clear net positive to process information better than others to offer more competitive prices to anonymous buyers and sellers, because tightening spreads means more efficient markets through better price discovery. It doesn't sound very different than a retailer undercutting prices by running a leaner business than the competitors and afford lower profit margins. Of course the competitors are screaming bloody murder, but how is this not good for society?

Re: How to Get a Quant Job in Finance

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I heard that at GS Rubin pushed algorithmic trading . Sure, would've been great to have met Simons. Heck, I never got around to working in differential geometry but at one time did get the notes of S. S. Chern! And once tried to understand a seminar of an A. Gleason student! But I did cover exterior algebra, from both Fleming and Spivak. Now I have Cartan's book, now in English! I have no idea just what Simons did to…

Really, then, a technical person with some valuable technical work should just start their own business. Precisely. You've correctly identified the irrational non-technical prejudice the financial industry may have towards someone such as yourself. The only solution is to become their competitor. You'd be surprised how easy it is to beat incompetent corporations at their own game. If it can be done with multi-stage r…

Thanks. So far, it all looks fine.

For me, it has been some fun math and software. I'm gathering some initial data and should go live soon. Then if people like the work, I'll be in good shape.

Just checked with my ISP: Can upgrade to 25 Mbps upload speed with a static IP address for $89 a month. That 25 Mbps is a lot: If users really like my work, enough to half fill that 24 x 7, it adds up to millions a year in revenue. Less expensive to start than a pizza carryout, and makes money even when I'm asleep.

I'm borrowing at least two of PG's points: (1) At first don't try to please 1 million users only a little but try to please 100 users a lot. Then they will tell others and will have 1000 users and 10,000 users. Then expand to another 100 users .... (2) Initially, don't be afraid to do work that does not scale. So, I'm following that: For the data, the 'business model' has that gathered, in a way that will scale, automatically as a by-product of the usage, but that will work well only with a lot of usage. In the meanwhile, I will will just insert good data by hand!

From the lectures in Sam Altman's course at Stanford, just completed, what I'm doing looks fine except I'm a solo founder, who's done all the work, thus, knows all the work, has no co-founder disputes, owns 100% of the business, and has meager burn rate. The burn rate is so low that by the time the business qualifies for equity funding, it will likely also be profitable enough for me to buy lots more servers, in a spare bedroom, upgrade my house circuit breaker to 200 A, put in a window A/C, get some UPS units, put my emergency electric generator on a pad in a small shack just out back and have it kick off when the UPS says so, get a new SUV and Corvette, and keep growing. Outsource bookkeeping, accounting, taxes, and legal, and grow. Maybe be like the Canadian romantic matchmaking service Plenty of Fish, long just one guy, two old Dell servers, ads just from Google, and $10 million a year in revenue.

Sure, if we were four co-founders, all married, with all four wives pregnant and wanting a new, two bath, three bedroom house, with a nice backyard, in a nice neighborhood, and a new SUV, for her, with a baby car seat, a play pen, a bassinet, a crib, a stroller, two washing machines, help with the housework, a GYN, OB, pediatrician, GP, dentist, dermatologist, optometrist, swimming instructor, etc., then, sure, we'd be desperate for equity funding! But, not me!

Looks fine so far.

$10 million a year is a lot for a mathematician on Wall Street.

Re: How to Get a Quant Job in Finance

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Now if you are a programmer, how do you get into the industry? You need to know stats, machine learning, and programming, really well. My experience being a quant and being around quants is that, sadly, they don't get to use much machine learning. Some do, but it seems like 97-98% of the work is much more mundane. Am I correct in perceiving that many hiring managers expect more in the way of interesting experience th…

> Am I correct in perceiving that many hiring managers expect more in the way of interesting experience than they really need (or have to offer in the work that needs done)? Yes I think you are Michael. Especially for quant jobs 2 and 3 that I enumerated. The only reason I listed machine learning is that it is the trogan horse that gets programmers to learning stats. I can't over emphasize enough just how much you ne…

What areas of statistics would you say are the important ones? Obviously, having a excellent grasp of probability is a must, but what about other things? If I were a statistics major, what courses would you say are most important? It seems like things like regression analysis would be much more important than experimental designs, no?

Re: How to Get a Quant Job in Finance

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Having hired a lot of quants and programmers in finance I can probably give a bit of background on what to expect: Get this book, read it and understand it. http://www.amazon.com/Heard-Street-Quantitative-Questions-In... Quants tend to be in 1 of 3 categories: 1) pricing quants, you work for a bank or investment house like Goldamn. You know stochastic calculus very well, you know finite differencing like the back of…

One point to note. The more prestigious the school the more mathematics is thought in my experience. In my school the comp sci-major had more math lectures than the physics students (and better grades, as physics where becoming unpopular putting a higher bar on the comp. sci entry grades).

In my school you had a class for 6 months: introduction to programming, that's it! The rest of the 5 years where basically only math/algorithms (machine learning, statistics, probability, compiler algorithms and such).

I've heard that this is changing as the industry values practical programming experience, but boy would I've been pissed if I'd spent 5 years to learn ancient tech.

I'm quite pissed about people getting a comp. sci. degree from knowing some C++, HTML5 and bubble-sort nowadays from shabby universities. Get of my lawn!

Re: How to Get a Quant Job in Finance

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head of quantitative research = spending all your time on pricing models for complex derivatives. it's unlikely he had anything to do with RBS's overall financial strategy

Head of modelling risk for RBS. Maybe some of it was derivatives. Some of it should have been modelling the cost of borrowing money on wholesale markets. The RBS strategy was leverage to the hilt, borrow short, lend long. Lunacy.

Maybe he thought it was a bad srategy until he calculated in the likelihood of tax-payer bailout if things went wrong.

Re: How to Get a Quant Job in Finance

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None of these have any similarity to brainteasers. In fact, these are all excellent subjects on their own that could be tested directly. For example: "Give me an overview of a numerical method used to solve differential equations." The more time you spend asking brainteasers, the less time you have to devote to your actual skills of interest. You may even find that quizzing someone on mathematics may help refresh and…

Do you have experience interviewing candidates? Many candidates will answer this question correctly and yet be totally unable to do anything when they're confronted with a non textbook case. To be clear the brain teasers I ask are mathematical problems, not the type of brain teasers used in consulting interviews. For instance: We play a game where we each draw a secret random number uniformly between 0 and 1. We each…

hey murbard is the answer to this 1-goldenratio? (.618...)

to get this I computed the function f(x,y) which is my expected value if I reroll if roll <= x and my opponent re-rerolls if roll <= y. let p be the optimal value. by symmetry f(p,p) = 0.5 so there must be a local minimum around that point. solving by taking a one sided derivative gives me (sqrt(5)-1)/2

Re: How to Get a Quant Job in Finance

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None of these have any similarity to brainteasers. In fact, these are all excellent subjects on their own that could be tested directly. For example: "Give me an overview of a numerical method used to solve differential equations." The more time you spend asking brainteasers, the less time you have to devote to your actual skills of interest. You may even find that quizzing someone on mathematics may help refresh and…

Do you have experience interviewing candidates? Many candidates will answer this question correctly and yet be totally unable to do anything when they're confronted with a non textbook case. To be clear the brain teasers I ask are mathematical problems, not the type of brain teasers used in consulting interviews. For instance: We play a game where we each draw a secret random number uniformly between 0 and 1. We each…

Ok, I'm stumped. If I've parsed your description correctly, we get no info about our opponent's actions or the results until the end. Absent any ability to observe their strategy, it seems like you do want to maximize for expected value of your own actions, and I'm curious about the counterexample.

How do we maximize EV? A single throw's pdf is 1, for x in [0,1], so its EV is 0.5. The question is how to improve on a single throw by deciding to re-throw. A re-throw is independent and gives the same EV. We want a strategy that gives us higher cumulative EV. Say our strategy is that we have a threshold A, where we re-throw any result below A. Because x is uniform, the probability that we re-throw is also A. The cumulative EV of the strategy is A * EV(second_throw) + (1-A) * EV(keep_first_throw). Since we only keep the first throw for results in [A,1], the EV for that event (integrating x * pdf from A to 1) is (1+A)/2. So EV of the whole strategy is A/2 + (1-A) * (1+A)/2. It has max EV when A is 0.5, giving EV of 5/8.

So how do you do better?

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