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Sony Got Hacked Hard: What We Know and Don't Know So Far

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Re: Sony Got Hacked Hard: What We Know and Don't Know So Far

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Post by ManFromUranus »

rsingel wrote: post #144
DAddYE wrote: post #139

Opening an article these days with: > Who knew that Sony’s top brass, a line-up of mostly white male executives, earn $1 million and more a year? is just take advantage of a difficult moment and increase the `hate`. I don't get why this could happen on magazine like Wired... Reading comments on the article seems that statement is pretty unfair. I didn't check myself because I think reading those informations is bad a…

Oh, no! Pointing out that a corporate power structure is overwhelming white and male is so unfair to those that are white and male. I used to be this author's editor and that lede is very Wired. Sad to see this "tone policing" comment is the top-voted comment on this thread.

This is the sort of trite, self congratulatory "socially conscious" type of comment that is appearing all over the place. What does it have to do with Sony getting hacked? Nothing really. It does reveal the personal sentiments of the author somewhat, and also your own. Did the comment help anybody? I doubt it. Other than stoking resentment what possible purpose could stating that the executives were "overwhelmingly white males" possibly have?

Re: Sony Got Hacked Hard: What We Know and Don't Know So Far

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Post by [deleted] »

TrainedMonkey wrote: post #143
akshatpradhan wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sony Pictures has an operating income (revenue minus expenses) of $501 million per year. They can afford to pay creatives, but they can't afford to pay for a few more security engineers? Look, I get the creative field costs a lot of money. But Sony Pictures was paying $454,224,070 http://fusion.net/story/30850/ in total salaries as of May. Even hiring 5 more security engineers would have gone a long way. That's $1 mi…

Let me rephrase the question here, we could either spend $1m on some gobbledegook that those fast talking nerds saying we need, or we could get bigger bonuses. We worked hard and bonuses would be tangible, when asked about how we will know if $1m expenditure a year is working fast talking nerds talk even more quicker about something that amounts to 'nothing bad will happen'. We are arguing here from position of knowl…

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Re: Sony Got Hacked Hard: What We Know and Don't Know So Far

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Post by hackuser »

buckbova wrote: post #149
DAddYE wrote: post #139

Opening an article these days with: > Who knew that Sony’s top brass, a line-up of mostly white male executives, earn $1 million and more a year? is just take advantage of a difficult moment and increase the `hate`. I don't get why this could happen on magazine like Wired... Reading comments on the article seems that statement is pretty unfair. I didn't check myself because I think reading those informations is bad a…

It's the typical diatribe from this demographic that wants to add this to every conversation whether it's relevant or not.

> It's the typical diatribe from this demographic that wants to add this to every conversation whether it's relevant or not.

One difficulty is that people who are not affected by it do not notice it and they don't think it's a big deal. It doesn't register that the star of almost every movie is a white male.

It's human nature to be lost in our own perspectives; it's why it's so important to make an effort to imagine walking around in other people's shoes: If you are a minority or a woman, you are faced with this discrimination everywhere. Every time you turn on the TV, walk down the street, at work, in social situations, dating, at the restaurant; when you read a history book, in the news (e.g., recent police discrimination issues), when you look at our government, when the camera at the football game picks out the young hot white women in the crowd, etc.

If bringing it up all the time makes you uncomfortable, maybe that's a good thing. If it seems like the issue comes up a lot, maybe that speaks to the enormity of the problem.

Re: Sony Got Hacked Hard: What We Know and Don't Know So Far

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Post by secabeen »

rconti wrote: post #132
eyeareque wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I once asked a lock pick artist what lock I should get for my house. They pointed out that if you have something valuable in your house, do you want to protect it with a 50 dollar lock or a 250 dollar lock. Basically they should have had better security; and I can bet they will spend the money for proper security now that they got owned so well. It's a great time to be working in the security field today.

That's an amazingly narrow-minded way of looking at a problem. It's easier and quicker to break your window than to pick your lock, $50 or $250.

Yep. And it misses the simpler solution of not having things in your house that are worth stealing. Sure, TVs, laptops, etc., but those can be stolen anywhere. Eliminating cash and jewelry from your home can make that $50 lock the right trade-off.

Re: Sony Got Hacked Hard: What We Know and Don't Know So Far

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Post by lugg »

ManFromUranus wrote: post #161
rsingel wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, no! Pointing out that a corporate power structure is overwhelming white and male is so unfair to those that are white and male. I used to be this author's editor and that lede is very Wired. Sad to see this "tone policing" comment is the top-voted comment on this thread.

This is the sort of trite, self congratulatory "socially conscious" type of comment that is appearing all over the place. What does it have to do with Sony getting hacked? Nothing really. It does reveal the personal sentiments of the author somewhat, and also your own. Did the comment help anybody? I doubt it. Other than stoking resentment what possible purpose could stating that the executives were "overwhelmingly w…

I was under impression that identifying the inequality among upper management at Sony Pictures was at least part of the reason for the early release of that specific document. i.e. that point, was the point and should probably be in the opening of any reporting. Call it a low blow, call it whatever you like, I just don't think any female / non white guy would appreciate how belittling your comments are.

But them I am kind of biased since the whole ghotz debacle. Suck fony and all that. (yes I know this is sony pic, not sony)

Re: Sony Got Hacked Hard: What We Know and Don't Know So Far

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Post by runamok »

DAddYE wrote: post #139

Opening an article these days with: > Who knew that Sony’s top brass, a line-up of mostly white male executives, earn $1 million and more a year? is just take advantage of a difficult moment and increase the `hate`. I don't get why this could happen on magazine like Wired... Reading comments on the article seems that statement is pretty unfair. I didn't check myself because I think reading those informations is bad a…

Especially since Conde Nast (Wired's parent) is owned by this family: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Irving_Newhouse,_Jr. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Newhouse

Re: Sony Got Hacked Hard: What We Know and Don't Know So Far

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Post by LLWM »

tptacek wrote: post #158
LLWM wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was twelve different Sony companies. It was clear that no part of Sony had any interest in information security.

The only difference between Sony and any of a dozen different financial services companies is that Sony has better name recognition and so is a bigger target.

Are you implying that's not an enormous difference?

Re: Sony Got Hacked Hard: What We Know and Don't Know So Far

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

johansch wrote: post #67
akshatpradhan wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sony Pictures has an operating income (revenue minus expenses) of $501 million per year. They can afford to pay creatives, but they can't afford to pay for a few more security engineers? Look, I get the creative field costs a lot of money. But Sony Pictures was paying $454,224,070 http://fusion.net/story/30850/ in total salaries as of May. Even hiring 5 more security engineers would have gone a long way. That's $1 mi…

Security is also incredibly, incredibly hard. Google were hacked quite hard as well, remember?

Google was hacked quite as hard? You mean, where all their employee SSNs were posted online, along with their technology roadmap? No, sorry, I don't remember that.

Or was that sarcasm?

Re: Sony Got Hacked Hard: What We Know and Don't Know So Far

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Post by buckbova »

hackuser wrote: post #163
buckbova wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the typical diatribe from this demographic that wants to add this to every conversation whether it's relevant or not.

> It's the typical diatribe from this demographic that wants to add this to every conversation whether it's relevant or not. One difficulty is that people who are not affected by it do not notice it and they don't think it's a big deal. It doesn't register that the star of almost every movie is a white male. It's human nature to be lost in our own perspectives; it's why it's so important to make an effort to imagine…

> It doesn't register that the star of almost every movie is a white male.

> If bringing it up all the time makes you uncomfortable, maybe that's a good thing.

It doesn't make me uncomfortable. I know it's an attack on a perceived villain, but in a "subtle" way. It's not subtle, it's completely transparent.

It's all about dollars. The industry thinks it'll make more money pushing white male/female stars. The racists are the movie going crowd voting with their dollar bills, and not the industry.

It doesn't make me uncomfortable that the majority of popular music is geared towards teenage white girls, because that's the market they want to capture. That's where the money is. Is that racist or ageist? No. It's marketing.

Often times these folks in charge are not only white males, but Jewish white males, which makes them a minority group as well. But that's not always pointed out.

Re: Sony Got Hacked Hard: What We Know and Don't Know So Far

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Post by Ded7xSEoPKYNsDd »

sarciszewski wrote: post #85
jdimov wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When it comes to start-ups it's not stupid - it's wise. The food safety analogy is inappropriate. Security is about risk management. Low risks do not justify high expenses. When it comes to a company with hundreds of millions in revenues, however, they have clearly underestimated the risks and have been irresponsible.

> Low risks do not justify high expenses. What is the expense associated with, for example, not concatenating user-supplied input in SQL queries?

I don't know, what does a low-skill developer who doesn't know better cost compared to someone actually qualified for the job?
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