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Re: Ask HN: How or where to begin learning mathematics from first principles?

#91
If you are looking for calculus one resources, Jim Fowler's Calculus One Coursera course is great, IMHO. I watched the videos at 2x speed (I found he speaks very slow, which can be great at times) and was able to complete it in a couple of weeks. The best part was that it didn't seem like he tried to "dumb it down". I would also recommend reading one of the many books others have suggested while taking the course - I've found that I learn much better when I hear topics explained in different ways and from different perspectives. Best of luck!

https://www.coursera.org/learn/calculus1

Re: Ask HN: How or where to begin learning mathematics from first principles?

#92
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I found "Mathematics for the Millions" ( http://www.amazon.com/Mathematics-Million-Master-Magic-Numbe... ) to be a very interesting read. It goes through the history of math, how it was discovered and used, from ancient Egypt (geometry) to the 1600s (Calculus) and shows the progression of thought.

Seconded. "Mathematics for the Million" is an incremental, bottom-up approach to learning Mathematics. It should be an interesting read for those fond of history.

Re: Ask HN: How or where to begin learning mathematics from first principles?

#93
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not exactly sure of the board culture here regarding unsubstantial comments but I'd like to thank you for taking the time to write all this out anyways. Same goes for everyone else who contributed.

You're certainly welcome! I should probably mention one thing. In your post, you mentioned electronics, which does not so much require an understanding of mathematics, but rather a competence in solving differential equations in physics. If you are only interested in topics that are under the umbrella of electrical engineering, then you do not need to study mathematics at all. Rather, you should be studying physics,…

Thank you very much for taking time to post many elaborate, useful comments! I straight away went and purchased "Real Mathematical Analysis" thanks to your recommendation.

> One thing to keep in mind: do not be mislead by similar notation between mathematics and physics: they are very, very different subjects.

This has always bothered me especially while tackling analysis. Isn't analysis' origin rooted in Physics problems? At least that's the sense I get while reading various introduction to analysis chapters/videos. But when I read initial few sections of Rudin I almost got into an enlightened state when he introduces metric spaces which are so abstract but also make sense intuitively. I'm bit confused.

Re: Ask HN: How or where to begin learning mathematics from first principles?

#94
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I absolutely, positively second the recommendation of "Real Mathematical Analysis" by Charles Pugh (don't miss the advice he relates from his colleague, on pages 9&10, with the heading "Metaphor and Analogy", which could easily form the basis for a dissertation on the psychology of mathematical intuition and inspiration). Pugh does an exquisite, uncommonly good job of avoiding a pitfall that >99.9% of mathematics aut…

Thanks so much for your insightful post. I was working through the first couple of chapters in Spivak's Calculus recently, and was struck by 1) what a great book it was, and 2) what a time commitment it would take to complete it properly! If I could choose a book to take to a tropical island for a year, Spivak might be it. But is it worth spending hundreds of hours working through Spivak and Pugh from the standpoint…

For somebody that wants a career on electronics? "Sure" is not enough to express it... Your question is almost equivalent to "Is it worth it to spend time studying electronics"? The only thing I don't knwo is if the book goes deep enough, or if he'll need another couple of them.

Now, if he wanted only to get good at the software realm, I'd recommend a more superficial understanding of calculus, saving time to study discrete math and CS (that are mostly the same thing in different languages).

Anyway, I'd also recommend algebra to both specialities, to be learned at the same time as calculus and discrete math. It'll make the learning easier.

Re: Ask HN: How or where to begin learning mathematics from first principles?

#96
Here is a shameless plug for my own blog, [Math ∩ Programming](http://jeremykun.com/). The difficulty ranges in how much mathematical background you need, but there are also some primers aimed at programmers, starting from this [essay](http://jeremykun.com/2013/02/08/why-there-is-no-hitchhikers-...).

I'd really love feedback from you on what you found approachable and what you found unapproachable.

Re: Ask HN: How or where to begin learning mathematics from first principles?

#97
My favorite first-year calculus text by far is Michael Spivak's Calculus. When I was in school in the 1970s, he was by common consensus THE great and differentiated writer of math books -- but that was based on a small sample size, and Calculus is the only one that should be in this discussion.

There were a lot of other books back then that I think of as likely to have been the best in their time, but those were all more in the vein of texts for classes that I just happened to feel served me well.

Re: Ask HN: How or where to begin learning mathematics from first principles?

#98
Take the standard path.

High School

Algebra I

Plane geometry (with emphasis on proofs)

Algebra II

Trigonometry

Solid geometry (if can get a course in it -- terrific for intuition and techniques in 3D)

College

Analytic geometry (conic sections)

Calculus I and II

Linear algebra

Linear algebra II, Halmos, Finite Dimensional Vector Spaces (baby version of Hilbert space theory)

Advanced calculus, e.g., baby Rudin, Principles of Mathematical Analysis -- nice treatment of Fourier series, good for signals in electronic engineering. The first chapters are about continuity, uniform continuity, and compactness which are the main tools used to prove the sufficient conditions for the Riemann integral to exist. At the end Rudin shows that the Riemann integral exists if and only if the function is continuous everywhere but on a set of measure zero. But what Rudin does there at the beginning with metric spaces is more general than he needs for the Riemann integral but is important later in more general treatments in analysis. Rudin does sequences and series because they are standard ways to define and work with some of the important special functions, especially the exponential and sine and cosine further on in the book. The material in the back on exterior algebra is for people interested in differential geometry, especially for relativity theory.

Ordinary differential equations, e.g., Coddington, a beautifully written book, Coddington and Levinson is much more advanced) -- now can do basic AC circuit theory like eating ice cream.

Advanced calculus from one or several more traditional books, e.g., the old MIT favorite Hildebrand, Advanced Calculus for Applications, Fleming, Functions of Several Variables, Buck, Advanced Calculus -- can now look at Maxwell's equations and understand at least the math. And can work with the gradient for steepest descent in the maximum likelihood approach to machine learning.

Maybe take a detour into differential geometry so that can see why Rudin, Fleming, etc. do exterior algebra, and why Halmos does multi-linear algebra, and then will have a start on general relativity.

Royden, Real Analysis. So will learn measure theory, crucial for good work in probability and stochastic processes, and get a start on functional analysis (vector spaces where each point is a function -- good way to see how to use some functions to approximate others). Also will learn about linear operators and, thus, get a solid foundation for linear systems in signal processing and more.

Rudin, Real and Complex Analysis, at least the first, real, half. Here will get a good start on the Fourier transform.

Breiman, Probability -- beautifully written, even fun to read. Measure theory based probability. If that is too big a step up in probability, then take a fast pass through some elementary treatment of probability and statistics and then get back to Breiman for the real stuff. Will finally see what the heck a random variable really is and cover the important cases of convergence and the important classic limit theorems. Will understand conditioning, the Radon-Nikodym theorem (von Neumann's proof is in Rudin, R&CA), conditioning, the Markov assumption, and martingales and the astounding martingale convergence theorem and the martingale inequality, the strongest in mathematics. So will see that with random variables, can look for independence, Markov dependence, and covariance dependence, and these forms of dependence, common in practice, can lead to approximation, estimation, etc.

Now will be able to understand EE treatments of second order stationary stochastic processes, digital filtering, power spectral estimation, etc.

Stochastic processes, e.g., Karatzas and Shreve. Brownian Motion and Stochastic Calculus. Now can get started on mathematical finance.

But there are many side trips available in numerical methods, linear programming, Lagrange multipliers (a surprisingly general technique), integer programming (a way to see the importance of P versus NP), mathematical statistics, partial differential equations, mathematical finance, etc.

For some ice cream, Luenberger, Optimization by Vector Space Methods or how to learn to love the Hahn-Banach theorem and use it to become rich, famous, and popular with girls!

Re: Ask HN: How or where to begin learning mathematics from first principles?

#99
I would check out

Mathematics: From the Birth of Numbers by Jan Gullberg

Beautiful book, goes from the counting numbers to partial differential equations. It's also a delight to read.

I would start that as a survey of mathematical concepts, and then move on to a good math engineering/physics textbook, like Mathematical Methods in the Physical Sciences by Mary L. Boas

Re: Ask HN: How or where to begin learning mathematics from first principles?

#100
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There is no royal road to math. There are instead, roughly, between 4 and 50 branches of mathematics which each start and "end" in different places with different goals and philosophies and styles. What makes this all "math" is that almost inexplicably these branches tread the same ground over and over. Which is to say: learning one branch can dramatically improve your ability to understand another branch. Learning s…

For Linear Algebra, I'd humbly suggest Gilbert Strang's Introduction to Linear Algebra. This is the companion book to the lectures here: http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/mathematics/18-06sc-linear-algebr...
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