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Are You a Robot? Introducing “No CAPTCHA ReCAPTCHA”

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Re: Are You a Robot? Introducing “No CAPTCHA ReCAPTCHA”

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Post by freshflowers »

userbinator wrote: post #170

"If we can collect behavioural data from you, and it matches closely the behaviour of other humans, you are a human. Otherwise you're not a human." Does anyone else get that feeling from the description of what Google is doing? I've tripped their "we think you are a bot" detection filter and been presented with a captcha countless times while using complex search queries and searching for relatively obscure things, a…

I would suggest you're over-thinking it. The essence of it is "we think you're a bot because you haven't given us enough private information about yourself".

Exploiting that information is Google's core business, and it doesn't like people evading their panopticon. So they're no making life harder those who care about their privacy.

Not surrendering your data to Google? We'll treat you like you're not even human, and through reCaptcha we'll tell thousands of other websites to do the same. That will teach you to hide things from the all seeing eye of Mountain View.

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Post by roc »

jotm wrote: post #226
userbinator wrote: post #170

"If we can collect behavioural data from you, and it matches closely the behaviour of other humans, you are a human. Otherwise you're not a human." Does anyone else get that feeling from the description of what Google is doing? I've tripped their "we think you are a bot" detection filter and been presented with a captcha countless times while using complex search queries and searching for relatively obscure things, a…

I've also tripped Google's bot filters. Frankly, I'm more offended that Google is discriminating against robots, seeing as they are one of the leading companies in automation and AI :-)

Though you were joking, it's worth noting they're certainly not discriminating against robots. They're discriminating against your robots.

Which is to say: they're perfectly willing to let your crawl-able content and internet use help train their robots, they just don't want their crawl-able content and internet use to train your robots.

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Post by mjt0229 »

robertfw wrote: post #233
jotm wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Saying "just don't use Google/Bing/search engines" is like saying "don't use the airlines". The security checks suck big time, but really, these services are must-have and there is no better alternative. Complaining and hoping for some change is all that's left.

https://duckduckgo.com/

DDG is excellent most of the time, but way behind when doing video or map searches. I have it as my default in most places, but sometimes I just have to fall back to Google.

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Post by forgottenpass »

xtracto wrote: post #178
userbinator wrote: post #170

"If we can collect behavioural data from you, and it matches closely the behaviour of other humans, you are a human. Otherwise you're not a human." Does anyone else get that feeling from the description of what Google is doing? I've tripped their "we think you are a bot" detection filter and been presented with a captcha countless times while using complex search queries and searching for relatively obscure things, a…

> and it's frankly very insulting and rather disturbing that they think someone who inputs "unusual" search queries, according to their measure, is not human. Insulting? how is that insulting? You are entitled. You are entitled you block scripts, use Google's FREE service to perform any search query to search the web while blocking any program that attempts to identify you as not a bot. But if while using their free…

You are entitled.

Has calling someone entitled ever been useful? For the last few years it's felt like nothing more than a petty "you're wrong" remark with bonus condensation built right in.

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Post by sesutton »

raverbashing wrote: post #124
ricg wrote: post #95

It's definitely not only relying on cursor movements. A simple $('iframe').contents().find('.recaptcha-checkbox-checkmark').click() proved that I'm not a robot, without me touching the mouse.

Are you logged into Google? If you have their cookies it's one indication you're not a robot.

Interestingly I logged out of my Google account in Chrome and immediately got an old style CAPTCHA. But not when I logged out in Safari (I very rarely use Safari).

Edit- Nevermind, it looks like Safari left some google.com cookie lying around while Chrome deleted it. Deleting it gave me the old CAPTCHA.

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Post by andylei »

TallGuyShort wrote: post #153
cJ0th wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

okay, that's reasonable.

But then a bot need only copy a human's mouse movements and disable cookies and we're back to the status quo.

i'm sure no one at google thought about that

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Post by vernie »

userbinator wrote: post #170

"If we can collect behavioural data from you, and it matches closely the behaviour of other humans, you are a human. Otherwise you're not a human." Does anyone else get that feeling from the description of what Google is doing? I've tripped their "we think you are a bot" detection filter and been presented with a captcha countless times while using complex search queries and searching for relatively obscure things, a…

You sound like a robot.

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Post by chuckcode »

throwaway234 wrote: post #235
chuckcode wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Am I being paranoid when I think that offering this "free" service is a great way to track people over even more sites and usually the most important conversion pages that don't have the usual google display ads. I don't see a big technological innovation here as it appears that mostly they are checking your cookies to see if they recognize you.

Every "free" service from Google has the end goal of serving you personalized ads. That's their business.

Certainly correct. I guess it is new for me that I'm requiring my users to give their data so they can be served personalized ads.
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