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Re: Wire – Modern Communications Network

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Post by alimbada »

andor wrote: post #239
graeme wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>You forgot Hangouts, which works on Android, iOS, and the desktop. It supports text, voice, and video, just like Wire. Its only negative from my personal viewpoint is no Windows Phone support, but that OS is the punchline of many jokes these days. Have you ever tried to start a Hangout with a non-technical user? It's a nightmare. I do remote tutoring. Skype is easy. Everyone has it, you add the username, and call. H…

If all your students have a Google account and an email address, it's rather easy: 1. Open https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_ to create a new Hangout 2. Copy the permanent link that is shown in the dialog, or enter mail addresses to invite. 3. Students open the link. A login is required to join the Hangout, this could be improved...

There is also an extension for Chrome - https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/hangouts/nckgahada...

Re: Wire – Modern Communications Network

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Post by mrsaint »

Something here I don't understand. First, the terms state that there are two kinds of governing laws: One for those using the service outside the US, and one for those from the US. This is the first time I see a supposedly non-US company applying two different laws. Also, if you go through the terms, you see that basically any legal aspect is governed by the County of San Francisco, California. Why not Switzerland where the company was supposedly formed and is located in?

Second, as of right now, there is no mentioning of a "Wire Swiss GmbH" in the Swiss commercial registry. That's quite severe because under Swiss law, you are not allowed to represent to the outside a juristic person as long as it is not in the official registry.

Here is the link to the registry:

http://zefix.ch/zfx-cgi/hrform.cgi/hraPage?alle_eintr=on&per...

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Post by nullrouted »

skrebbel wrote: post #236
gurkendoktor wrote: post #156

Am I such an outlier if I use Skype for business, not for leisure? I have clients on three continents and every single one used Skype to communicate about the project. Skype was generally running on every machine as a "watercooler chat"/IRC replacement. Just open groups, give them names and pin them to the sidebar. Done. So I really expected this to be more secure, more portable and LESS designer-driven. Who is even…

We're builing that. Give it a month or so, will spam HN. Want to beta test? :-)

Yes

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Post by humanrebar »

wmeredith wrote: post #290
Ridley wrote: post #266

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There are already FOSS replacements for Skype, such as Tox. The fact is that if every line of code can't be inspected then the software can't be considered secure, and we're forced to put blind faith in a faceless corporation, which is understandably not acceptable for many people. I don't really care if you think this is "practical" or not. That's simply the reality of the situation. Proprietary == insecure. If a co…

I don't think it's as black and white as all that. This reads like the equivalent claim the NSA makes along the lines of, "if you have nothing to hide, why can't we record every facet of every communication and store it forever?" Business relationships run on trust. Claiming your software is secure when it is to the best of your knowledge is not dishonest.

That's a false dichotomy. Not wanting personal conversations recorded is called discretion, a form of wisdom. Not wanting technical details of a product published is primarily a way to gain a competitive advantage, either against other businesses or against potential threats.

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Post by oddvar »

darklajid wrote: post #285
oddvar wrote: post #249

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The capability to get conversation history over several servers. In Matrix the conversation history is stored by all servers involved in the discussion, and thus it can be retrieved if your own server temporarily goes down. It will also be accessible from all your Matrix-compliant clients, whether they are web or mobile clients. (edit: disclaimer: I'm also involved with matrix.org)

Hey. Thanks for the explanation. I ignore the 'will be accessible from all your clients' part - that should be the case for XMPP as well, or will be with MAM [1]. Storing the history on multiple servers? Not sure I understand the use case here (okay 'server goes down' I understand, but spreading my message history to multiple servers for that seems .. unexpected). 1: http://www.zash.se/mam.html

OK let me try to explain it better: let's say we have a conversation between 3 friends who are all running their own homeservers to connect to matrix. All three servers will keep a copy of the conversation, and if one server goes down and reconnects, the two other servers can update it with the messages that went on while it was down.

If friend 1 and 2 have a separate conversation in a different room, only their two servers will keep a copy of the conversation history. If friend 3 joins this room, his server will receive the current history from the other servers (there's a limit for efficiency but you can explicitly get all the history via pagination).

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Post by cataflam »

grimman wrote: post #124
coldtea wrote: post #103

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> "What we need is another messaging app" said nobody, ever. The usual negative HN top post. I have to disagree. We've moved from irc, to ICQ, to Microsoft Messenger, to ..., to Skype, to (what's hot now), so somehow all those people really DID want another messaging app and even adopted one. > It looks pretty, but this is yet another app in the long list of "Skype killers" or "Voice/video/text" messaging. Most of th…

> so somehow all those people really DID want another messaging app and even adopted one. Very disingenuous. In terms of ICQ, they were just early to market, had a competent client and... a deeply flawed method of identification. Messenger? Rolled out with Windows, just like certain other software that caused a bit of a stink in courtrooms at one point. Leverage. AOL did the same thing, pretty much. As for Skype... i…

In my memory, ICQ had a terrible client. But the protocol could be used with better, less bloated clients (like trillian). And it had features at the time, like offline messages, that came surprisingly late or were missing in other, later clients.

By the same standards, I would of course say Skype has a terrible client now.

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Post by FreezerburnV »

thisisandyok wrote: post #286
anirudhan wrote: post #279

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>> the previous HN post about the guy who shut down his business and was debating open sourcing his entire codebase, and all the problems he would have had to tackle to do so link please?

I think the poster may be referencing this submission: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8641867 Specifically, the replies of the submitter in the comments

That's the one, thanks! Sorry, should have linked that in the first place.

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Post by gregpilling »

rplnt wrote: post #198
gcb0 wrote: post #172

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i like to joke there are two types of tech companies, mutually exclusive. - profit driven - investor money driven skype is a profit company. wire is clearly investor money driven. So while your example is valid, i don't think they want to displace the corporate consumer that creates the bulky of skype profit. It probably wants to go after the users that uses snapchat/wasup/etc for free, with little revenue besides wh…

Sadly, we mostly hear about those investor money driven companies.

They have money to hire staff to do PR. Bootstrapped companies are often cash strapped for a long time before they can afford PR people. Founders are told to do it, but reality of running a company gets in the way.

Re: Wire – Modern Communications Network

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Post by AhtiK »

mrsaint wrote: post #293

Something here I don't understand. First, the terms state that there are two kinds of governing laws: One for those using the service outside the US, and one for those from the US. This is the first time I see a supposedly non-US company applying two different laws. Also, if you go through the terms, you see that basically any legal aspect is governed by the County of San Francisco, California. Why not Switzerland wh…

The Mac App Store app [1] is submitted by "Zeta Project Swiss GmbH" which does exist in the registry [2].

[1] https://itunes.apple.com/app/wire/id931134707?mt=12

[2] http://www.hrazg.ch/webservices/inet/HRG/HRG.asmx/getHRGHTML...

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