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Post by wodenokoto »

blueskin_ wrote: post #158
secfirstmd wrote: post #114

So in the age of Edward Snowden this is all they say about encryption... "Are Messages And Calls Encrypted? Yes. Wire uses industry-standard encryption on all of your Wire messages and calls." "WHAT SECURITY MEASURES DO WE TAKE TO SAFEGUARD YOUR PERSONAL INFORMATION? We are concerned about safeguarding the confidentiality of your information. We provide physical, electronic, and procedural safeguards to protect infor…

Agree - I wonder if Adobe's block mode 3DES was 'industry standard'. Saying "we use encryption" isn't any good; this isn't 1996. People need to have the details available if they want them (a little "More Information" link going to a page showing their actual security model, list of ciphers and modes of operation, etc. would do).

Does it really matter whether they have encryption a or b? If it is poorly implemented it is unsafe.

So either you trust them to do a good job or you don't. Whether someone in marketing knows the name of your favorite encryption doesn't really change that.

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Post by gcb0 »

gurkendoktor wrote: post #156

Am I such an outlier if I use Skype for business, not for leisure? I have clients on three continents and every single one used Skype to communicate about the project. Skype was generally running on every machine as a "watercooler chat"/IRC replacement. Just open groups, give them names and pin them to the sidebar. Done. So I really expected this to be more secure, more portable and LESS designer-driven. Who is even…

i like to joke there are two types of tech companies, mutually exclusive.

- profit driven

- investor money driven

skype is a profit company. wire is clearly investor money driven.

So while your example is valid, i don't think they want to displace the corporate consumer that creates the bulky of skype profit. It probably wants to go after the users that uses snapchat/wasup/etc for free, with little revenue besides what is necessary for a "revenue" round A/B/C/IPO deck, and get investor money/get acquired.

PS: while skype is a consumer product, its job is not to drive revenue, but to advertise the corporate solution: Lync. Lync gets microsoft 2bi/yr, while skype peak at 600m/yr in a good year. 600m sounds good, but not when you paid over 8bi for it.

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Post by claudius »

iamtew wrote: post #89
ponyous wrote: post #32

Oh its everywhere! Except... Windows, Linux, BlackBerry, Windows Phone, Web... iOS, OS X and Android is far from everywhere.

And no love for Sailfish OS as usual :-(

On the other hand, if it’s any good, there’ll be an open Sailfish-only app for it soon?

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Post by TeMPOraL »

gurkendoktor wrote: post #156

Am I such an outlier if I use Skype for business, not for leisure? I have clients on three continents and every single one used Skype to communicate about the project. Skype was generally running on every machine as a "watercooler chat"/IRC replacement. Just open groups, give them names and pin them to the sidebar. Done. So I really expected this to be more secure, more portable and LESS designer-driven. Who is even…

Not in my experience - I've been to several companies using Skype as the primary in-office communication tool and I find it really annoying. Skype is resource-heavy, poor on features and keeps breaking on Linux (management uses Windows, so it doesn't care, but I'm a dev...). I personally refused to use Skype this time (after it kept repeatedly failing on my Ubuntu machine) and made everyone send an e-mail or write me on Facebook if they need something. Works well (though I feel I'm missing on some amount of in-office chat).

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Post by blumkvist »

deanclatworthy wrote: post #99

> Wire interactions are secure and we comply with European privacy laws and regulations. Which basically means as soon as a warrant is sent from pretty much any European government they'll hand over all your conversations. The support article doesn't give any detail whatsoever on how they encrypt your conversations: https://support.wire.com/hc/en-us/articles/203122500-Are-mes... It's a shame companies can't be held a…

Huh? Which company will not give records if subpoenaed?

PS: Of course companies can be held accountable for false advertising. You can take them to court yourself.

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Post by joeyspn »

amandine wrote: post #167
joeyspn wrote: post #141

No, the Skype killer has another name: WebRTC. And Wire seems like yet another closed-source GUI making use of the WebRTC stack. I honestly prefer FOSS solutions: Tox, oTalk, Jitsi, etc... oTalk looks really promising

What about matrix.org who's trying to fix the fragmentation by providing an open standardized signalling layer for WebRTC? Might interest you too! We've been working on integrating with Jitsi, although not finished yet

Nice project. Have you hear about OpenPeer? They're doing a similar thing... providing an open standardized signalling (P2P) layer for WebRTC...

http://openpeer.org/

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Post by eyko »

microtonal wrote: post #125
graeme wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been in Brazil for the past five weeks. EVERYONE uses whatsapp, because SMS is expensive. And this all happened in the past couple of years or so, because that's when smartphones became widespread. I have never been asked my phone number. I've only been asked my "whatsapp". Make a good enough messaging app, and you can win an entire country. Or the world.

I have never been asked my phone number. I've only been asked my "whatsapp". But your "whatsapp" is your phone number.

Not necessarily. My phone number when I go back home (if anyone wants to call me) is a different number from my whatsapp number (which is my UK number, where I live). When people want my Whatsapp number, I generally give them my UK number, but I don't expect an SMS or a phone call from them because I don't even use that SIM card back home. I have another local SIM card that I use, and I also give that out as my "phone number" in case, you know, somebody wants to call.

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Post by sa1 »

nnnnni wrote: post #127
graeme wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been in Brazil for the past five weeks. EVERYONE uses whatsapp, because SMS is expensive. And this all happened in the past couple of years or so, because that's when smartphones became widespread. I have never been asked my phone number. I've only been asked my "whatsapp". Make a good enough messaging app, and you can win an entire country. Or the world.

Did they ever fix the massive security hole(s?) in whatsapp?

Apparently they partnered with the TextSecure people https://whispersystems.org/blog/whatsapp/ to provide end-to-end encryption(Android non-group chat only for now). Apart from the fact that the client is still closed source and untrustable, they now seem to be in a better security situation than the other popular messaging apps.

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Post by TeMPOraL »

wamatt wrote: post #43
fizx wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We didn't need yet another IRC clone, and yet Slack seems to be cleaning up. The core value prop of the internet is easy communication. Don't be surprised when people continue to iterate on it.

To be fair, Slack is much more than simply an IRC clone

Well, it apparently is a poor man's IRC clone with awesome UI bolted on top. I think a properly made modern IRC client would blow it out of the water.
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